40 Responses to “Sign the petition! – No Stealth Fighters”

  1. terry crockerApril 21, 2011 at 10:31 am #

    These stealth fighters are for you the people to help defend our great white north.. to help you guys live safe and be in peace in harmony.. not every other country is like canada and they will attack us.. do you have any idea what our soilders are dealing with, our pilots are flying planes that are older then them.. things tend to not work any more after being used for tweenty years, go ahead delete this but just know that our canadian forces are there for you we are ment to defend canada. do you know how hard that job is when you dont have enough supplys or equpment thats older then you.. so calm the fuck down. becuase you think this money is just helping the usa.. but that fighter has had canadian ideas and involvment as well. seriously guys this fighter will be used and used we will probably have this fighter for 20+ years this is somthing that gets used not to sit there..

  2. Cindy PyeApril 3, 2011 at 8:58 pm #

    Let’s use our money for peaceful purposes and education. That is the path we must follow.

  3. Maggie TeinerMarch 23, 2011 at 1:20 am #

    Well, here we are again with the sell-off of Canada by the progressive conservatives. Mulroney sold us out in the 80′s and Harper in the present. Either a bunch of idiots voted for him or he was falsely elected like in the us. However, if we want to keep our sovereignty, we must act to send a message. There are ways………….

  4. Bill BustardMarch 21, 2011 at 7:25 pm #

    I dont think we Canadian taxpayers should help in any bailout the R&D of a big corporate industry which failed to plan ahead.
    The aircraft is obsolete. If the Canadian air force is so in need of more toys to play with to attract young people interested in piloting and technology art paying them a good salary or buy them some more cargo planes to transport food and tents and equipment to help the people of the world im times of crisis. I dont think the USAF is buying them why should we?
    Put the money back on the books or the debt. This purchase is unwise!

  5. MelanaMarch 17, 2011 at 10:56 am #

    This is not how I want my tax money being spent. I entirely disagree with this. How is it this government can claim fiscal responsibility.
    Stop the purchase of F-35s!

  6. mj langMarch 17, 2011 at 10:53 am #

    1000 times no to stealth fighters! Fight poverty. Work for peace.

  7. Jen CypherMarch 17, 2011 at 10:16 am #

    Buying these planes is a complete waste of money. Let’s tackle poverty.

  8. Alexis GodardMarch 17, 2011 at 10:12 am #

    I find it offensive that the federal government suggests cuts to services are neccessary to fund stealth fighters. The money can and should be put to better use.

  9. L. A. M.March 17, 2011 at 10:07 am #

    Canada doesn’t need to project power all around with stealth fighters. Our F-18s will do just fine for Canada’s needs; refurbish the old ones and/or get a few more of these.

  10. Aukje HuitemaMarch 17, 2011 at 9:56 am #

    Please no stealth fighters – please use all our energy to talk peace and human solutions – not war and corporation ‘stuff’.
    Thanks

  11. JohnMarch 17, 2011 at 9:55 am #

    The greatest threat to Canada’s security and indepenence is not coming from outside our borders, but from within the Prime Minister’s Office.

  12. Hardy ScottMarch 17, 2011 at 9:54 am #

    Listen…….We need housing….We need jobs….We need to save the environment for the future……..We do not need better ways of killing one another…….
    Think about other people…..

  13. Sandra GothMarch 17, 2011 at 9:53 am #

    Tools of Peace: community development, free education, health promotion; not tools of war: soldiers vs students, weapons vs the promotion of civil society; economic aggression vs collaboration for peace and civility.

  14. Steven StaplesMarch 14, 2011 at 2:02 pm #

    Response from the Federal NDP to a Ceasefire.ca supporter:

    From:
    Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:56 PM
    Subject: New Democrats push for fiscal responsibility on fighter jet purchase

    Thank you for writing about the Harper government’s decision to move ahead with the untendered contract for F-35 fighter jets-costing billions of dollars and making it our largest military purchase ever.

    New Democrats agree that this decision has raised concerns that can’t be ignored. At a time when Canadians are still struggling to find full time employment, and when this government has racked up more than a $50 billion deficit, these fiscal considerations should have been part of the government’s decision-making. Quite clearly, it was not.

    As the NDP Defence critic, NDP MP Jack Harris represented our party on the House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence. During the course of the hearings held by the committee on the purchase of the F-35s it became obvious that there are other, cheaper options available.

    Others agree. For example, in Committee hearings, former Assistant Deputy Minister of the Department of National Defence (DND) Alan Williams condemned the purchase. He said, “There is one other large downside risk to sole-sourcing, namely the increased potential for impropriety. The expenditure of public funds, especially when we’re talking about billions of dollars, demands not only the highest degree of integrity, but also the appearance of the highest degree of integrity. An open, fair, and transparent process is critical.”

    When MP Laurie Hawn, Conservative Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Defence, tried to discredit him in an email sent to Canadian Force members, Mr. Williams recognized this as a clearly partisan attack on his character, stating that Mr. Hawn ” doesn’t want to debate the issues. Instead he just attacks the individual.” The Conservatives continue to attempt to muddy the issue, and lack all accountability on fiscal responsibility.

    Equally troubling, there were other companies who were never consulted about potential contracts. Representatives from Boeing, makers of the
    F/A-18 “Super Hornet,” state that they were never contacted about a potential military contract. Nor was the Sweden manufacturer, Saab, makers of the Gripen. Both companies state that these planes more than meet the capabilities required by the military.

    A process to decide Canada’s real needs is also necessary. An open competition would not only have allowed us to look at the best models for our military, but also would have lowered costs-such a process encourages all companies involved to make their bid the most viable through concessions.

    Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page is also troubled by the government’s dealings on this purchase. He has recently stated that the Harper government has failed to provide him with enough information to properly assess the costs of the F-35 purchase, and would need to put forth his own independent estimate to properly cost the purchase. It is Mr. Page`s mandate to fully examine the cost of purchases such as these, and even he recognizes the level of secrecy this government places on actually attempting to cost their agenda.

    You can read more about our position at this link:
    http://www.ndp.ca/press/jet-fighters-new-democrats-question-necessity-pr
    ocess

    Again, thank you for taking an interest in this important matter of fiscal responsibility.

    Sincerely,

    Jack Layton
    NDP Leader

  15. ERIC J. WALKERMarch 11, 2011 at 11:40 pm #

    TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:I JUST RETIRED LAST JAN 2010.I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF GOVERNMENTS,BANKS,CREDIT CARD COMPANIES,ON AND ON.THEY ARE ALL IN MY MIND CROOKS.I RETIRED FROM A MAJOR TRUCK MANUFACTURING COMPANY MORE THAN 15 YRS AGO,BECAUSE THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD HIRE SOME YOUNGER PERSON AND PAY THEM HALF OF WHAT THEY WERE PAYING ME. PLACE THEM UNDER LONG TERM CONTRACTS SO THEY DIDN,T HAVE TO PAY PENSIONS,MEDICAL PLANS ETC;WHEN THEY LET ME GO THERE WAS ANOTHER 15,20 PEOPLE IN THE SAME PERIOD ALSO LET GO,SO HERE I AM WITH A 8YR SERVICE PENSION,55 YRS OLD AND CAN,T GET A JOB ANYWHERE THATS PAYS IN COMPARATIVENESS TO WHAT I HAD BEEN MAKING,SO WHERE WAS THE GOVERNMENT THEN ?TO ALLOW A SWEDISH COMPANY TO LET PEOPLE GO WITH NO HOPE OF WORKING AGAIN..
    THEN I WORKED FOR A COMPANY OUT OF WINNIPEG WHILE LIVING IN THE MISSISSAUGA,ONT. AREA.OVER A PERIOD OF 8YRS I LEASED 2 TRUCKS PAYED THEM OFF AND WORKED DAY AND NIGHT.I MISSED SON,DAUGHTERS,GRANDKIDS SPECIAL EVENTS,ETC;WHEN THE RECESSION HIT I WAS PAYING $9000.00/MTH FOR FUEL 07CENTS/MI FOR MAINTENANCE,$2800.00/MTH TRUCK LEASE PAYMENT,$1000.00,LICENCE AND INSURANCE,ON AND ON.I PAID THE GOVERNMENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR FOR WHAT? SO THEY SPEND IT FOOLISHLY WHILE I WORKED 80HR/WEEK.NOW I AM RETIRED,MY LITTLE RRSP DROPPED TO HALF OF WHAT I HAD PUT IN 15YRS AGO.NOW I CAN,T DRIVE ANYMORE BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS I HAVE TO GO FOR A ROAD TEST,WRITTEN TEST,AIRBRAKE TEST,BECAUSE I AM OVER 65YRS OLD..DO THEY THINK THAT AFTER 50YRS AROUND HEAVY TRUCKS,HEAVY EQUIPMENT.THAT NOW I CAN,T DRIVE ANYMORE.I WROTE A LETTER TO MR DALTON MCGUINTY AND GOT BACK ONE OF THERE FAMOUS LETTERS THEY SEND TO EVERONE TO KEEP THEM QUIET.WELL THATS ALL FOLKS I COULD GO ON FOR EVER ABOUT THE INJUSTICES OF THIS GOVERNMENT BUT WHO CARES.I HAVE MY LITTLE RRSP,CPP UNTILL I DIE THEN THEY WILL BE HAPPY ERIC J. WALKER

  16. TimMarch 10, 2011 at 12:38 pm #

    **UPDATE:**
    Parliament Budget Watchdog estimates F35 purchase at 29 Billion!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/03/10/pol-pbo-page-fighterjet.html

  17. Cori CaulfieldMarch 8, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    Military resistance IS futile for a nation like Canada. Our best defense is world of fed and happy fellows.

  18. Colin CreaseyMarch 6, 2011 at 6:12 pm #

    This Harper government is once again holding Canadians in contempt by spending $16 Billion of our money on sophisticated weaponry that we neither want nor need. Then they add insult to injury by not tendering the contract.
    We should return to our mission of peacekeeping, and not get involved in America’s wars, which are only for the procurement of energy to keep their military/industrial complex going. The problem with Conservative governments everywhere is that they are “owned” by the multinationals. They don’t care what the people who elected them think (remember prorogation? 2 times), and do whatever their corporate masters tell them.
    Time to get rid of these creeps. If only we could mobilise all those voters who don’t vote in elections to vote for something different. Over 40% didn’t vote the last time. Imagine the power that they have if only they would use it, then maybe the right wing wouldn’t be doing nearly as well as it is in the current polls. Canadians are becoming more intolerant, and that is not who we are. Time to remember that, by and large, we are the good guys. We need to dump this current government that was elected by less than 30% of all voters, and give us something that is more representative of who we are.
    Time for proportional representation. That would sort things out.

  19. Jennifer WadeMarch 5, 2011 at 12:38 am #

    Absolute folly.
    Here in the West there is a real threat of more casinos being built to pay for the work of charities, government services and social services -in some cases even robbing Peter to pay Paul when gambling problems have to be dealt with. Meanwhile a country that cannot function without help from casino money can see fit to buy expensive stealth fighters! What a tangled web we weave.
    J. Wade

  20. gragorMarch 4, 2011 at 7:13 pm #

    Prime Minister Harper:

    I strongly urge you to stop the proposed purchase of F-35 stealth fighters, and instead use the funds to meet urgent public priorities.

    I do not approve of you single sourcing the contract and I do not approve of you spending my tax dollars on wars of exploitation in foreign countries when we should be bolstering our own northern coastal defenses – or did you sacrifice that with your new secret fortress North America deal with the Americans? We still use those Buffaloes that need to be replaced.

    And exactly why are we sending a frigate to Libya again? Are you a bully like your American cousins and want to get in a few quick and dirty punches to help ensure the privatization of all that lovely Light Libyan Crude Oil?

    Stop trying to hang with the big kids and get back to taking care of OUR
    business.

    And while I’m at it, where is the adequate funding for the CBC ($40 / citizen) that was recommended by the House of Commons Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. Probably being spent on these single sourced fighter planes.

    It doesn’t matter if they are stealth or not. You are buying them from the Americans and it is the Americans that we are going to need protection from at the end of the day. Except probably we won’t as you keep selling us down the river and soon we will just be another 3rd world colony of the good old US of A.

    You have your priorities wrong. See you in the next election.

    gragor
    Right out side of CFB Comox
    Vancouver Island BC

  21. Ceasefire.caMarch 4, 2011 at 3:08 pm #

    This reply came from the NDP MP Paul Dewar’s office (Ottawa Centre):

    From:
    Date: 3 March, 2011 3:56:06 PM EST
    Subject: RE: No Stealth Fighters [571]

    Thank you for writing Paul Dewar about the new military spending on fighter jets. The announcement regarding what is the largest single military procurement in Canadian history is another example of the skewed priorities of the Harper Conservative government, as well as showcasing their readiness to spend tax payers’ money with no transparency or accountability.

    There are still many unanswered questions regarding the purchase of these jets. There needs to be accountability and clear justification for spending this amount of money. We have not seen that.

    Again, thank you for voicing your concerns with Paul and please don’t hesitate to contact him over this or any other issue.

    All the best

    James Crown

    Constituency Assistant

    Adjoint de Circonscription

    Paul Dewar, MP | Député Ottawa Centre
    NDP Foreign Affairs Critic
    Porte-parole du NPD pour les affaires étrangères
    Tel: 613.946.8682

    http://www.pauldewar.ca
    CEP 232

  22. Bruce LyonMarch 4, 2011 at 1:22 pm #

    A billion for the G-20 and now this? We have to stop this madman.

  23. PatrickMarch 4, 2011 at 12:59 pm #

    Whoever mentioned Diefenbaker you are amazing.

    I let out a big sigh whenever I see the Avro arrow, just a single point in a long trend of choosing American over Canadian.

    So tired of conservative governments which are just American pariahs eroding Canadian culture and progress.

    Lets get these assholes out of office!

  24. Ian LennoxMarch 4, 2011 at 12:33 pm #

    Maybe the federal government should prioritize complicated domestic matters over silly international policy. Diefenbaker was infamous for canceling the innovative avro and it was all pressure to buy US made aircraft. I see how this is no different, and am really offended by the blatant disregard for the interests of our nation, because of whatever private interests have been mixed up here.

  25. Danny BourneMarch 4, 2011 at 11:36 am #

    This money needs to be spent on providing Canadians with decent affordable housing.

  26. Geoffrey PounderMarch 4, 2011 at 11:04 am #

    If global security is what we want, invest in people, not the arms industry.
    If global security is what we want, invest in food, water, sanitation, education, health, good governance–not fabulously expensive high-tech weaponry systems.
    If global security is what we want, drop food baskets on people, not bombs.

  27. KurtMarch 4, 2011 at 10:08 am #

    Harper really likes wasting our money. We don’t want these planes. So much more he could put this into. Stop killing the arts. Make a stand on global emmissions.

  28. Ceasefire.caMarch 4, 2011 at 10:04 am #

    Response from Conservative Party MP David Sweet:

    From: Sweet.D@parl.gc.ca
    Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:28 PM
    Subject: RE: No Stealth Fighters [33]

    Thank you for expressing your concerns regarding the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program.

    The announcement of the purchase of sixty-five F-35 Lightning II aircraft is the realization of one of our government’s key commitments under the Canada First Defence Strategy. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program is a win-win for the Canadian Forces and the Canadian economy: Canada’s aerospace industry will benefit from highly skilled and well-paying jobs for decades to come, and the Canadian Forces will be replacing an aircraft that has reached the end of its lifespan.

    The Government of Canada strongly supports the 80,000 Canadians and their families who work in Canada’s aerospace industry. The F-35 purchase gives Canadian aerospace companies privileged access to up to $12 billion in contracts for work on thousands of planes in the F-35 global supply chain – far more than if we limited these companies to only working on Canadian planes. These contracts are being negotiated and signed right now. Cancelling this deal would be devastating to the workers in the aerospace industry.

    Every dollar invested in this program has the potential to gain $1.33 in return. These benefits will translate into direct investment in the Canadian economy which will create and maintain Canadian jobs. To date, the Government of Canada has invested approximately $168 million in the F-35 program, resulting in more than $350 million in contracts awarded to Canadian companies, research laboratories, and universities. That’s more than a hundred per cent return on investment.

    Aerospace industry experts, including Claude Lajeunesse, President and CEO of the Aerospace Industries Association of Canada, have said the F-35 investments will create well-paying and highly skilled jobs across Canada, benefitting our economy for years to come.

    Chief of the Air Staff Lieutenant General J.P.A. Deschamps confirmed the F-35 is the best aircraft to replace Canada’s ageing CF-18 fleet. In fact, he stated categorically that “the F-35 Lightning II will provide Canada with the greatest probability of mission success, and the greatest probability that our men and women will survive, returning safely from their missions.”

    Lieutenant General Deschamps stated clearly that “the F-35 offers (the) best cost value of any fighter available to us.”

    Once again, thank you for writing.

    Sincerely,

    David Sweet, M.P.

    Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale

  29. Steven StaplesMarch 3, 2011 at 8:40 pm #

    This response is being sent to signers from Michael Ignatieff’s office:

    Subject: A future Liberal government will cancel the F-35 stealth fighter deal

    Dear Sir/Madame:

    On behalf of Michael Ignatieff, I would like to acknowledge receipt of your recent email regarding Stephen Harper’s sole-sourced fighter jet contract.

    A future Liberal government will cancel the F-35 stealth fighter deal and hold an open competition to replace Canada’s CF-18s. We made this decision after the Auditor General’s warning about the government’s untendered $16-billion F-35 purchase and her devastating critique of Conservative procurement practices.

    When families are having a hard time making ends meet and the Conservatives are already running a record deficit we need better oversight to prevent billions of dollars of waste on these massive untendered contracts. The Liberal Opposition had been raising questions about this deal, which Stephen Harper has refused to answer, and the Auditor General’s report is the final straw. The only responsible course of action is to cancel this $16-billion dollar deal before taxpayers are left on the hook for billions of dollars more in needless waste.

    We need an open debate about whether these are the right planes, and to make sure we’re getting them for the right price

    Auditor General Sheila Fraser warned that the military will suffer a $1-billion budgetary shortfall after the Harper Conservatives broke procurement rules on its helicopter purchases, resulting in cost overruns that ran the bill up to $11 billion. Ms. Fraser blamed the cost overrun on the government’s failure to:

    Identify Canada’s defence needs and the operational needs of the military before proceeding with any purchase;
    Open the procurement to competition;
    Account for full life-cycle costs; and
    Sign maintenance contracts in advance of the purchase, before all bargaining power is lost.
    As previously announced in the Liberal Global Networks Strategy, a Liberal government will conduct a review of all military procurement upon taking office. As part of this process, Liberals will openly define the mission requirements for Canada’s next fighter jet and conduct an open competition to replace the CF-18s based on those publicly disclosed requirements.

    It is important to point out that there is no penalty for cancelling the current deal and holding an open competition for our next fighter jet. A Liberal government would remain committed to the 2006 Memorandum of Understanding that gives Canadian industry access to F-35 contracts, without any obligation to purchase the planes.

    Thank you for taking the time to write to the Leader of the Opposition.

    Yours sincerely,

    Office of Michael Ignatieff

    Leader of the Opposition

  30. Mark CollinsMarch 3, 2011 at 4:40 pm #

    For a, er, balanced approach to the subject you might look at these posts at the Canadian Defence & Foreign Affairs Institute’s “3Ds Blog”:
    http://www.cdfai.org/the3dsblog/?cat=20

    Mark
    Ottawa

  31. Mark GimbyMarch 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm #

    There is so much more pressing need for the enormous $’s that is intended to be spent on these fighter jets ie environment, poverty etc

  32. RonMarch 3, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    Anyone who looks at the bigger picture can see the absurdity of throwing all those billions of dollars at these undesirable killing machines. Just on a technical level the Americans are not going to use the F35 but are upgrading their F18s which is what we should do also if we actualy need such planes at all. Technicaly speaking again it is patently obvious to knowledgable people that the HAARP Scalar Weapons grid is pulsing the planet with EMPs, Electro Magnetic Pulses that can fry a planes wiring from afar in a bunker or on a ship and they dont even have to be in the same country to do this. On November 7th last year the Chinese dissabled a number of American ships with EMPs and only one was newsworthy because it was a civilian Cruise ship off the coast of L.A. and it couldnt be covered up. They fired a missle at the same time from the submarine that surfaced in the midst of a Naval war exercise undetected by the Navy till it surfaced. Any equipment that needs electronics to opperate can now be easily compromised with this technology. There is much info on the internet about this and more and more are waking up to the hogwash being shoveled at us by the military industrial complex. Out technology has taken a quantum leap but the war industries are still chugging out redundant vulnerable hardware feverishly to keep up the demand for targets in the many wars around the planet. This HAARP technology is being used extensively by Russia England America and China as well as Austrailia and Japan. When will the masses wake up and take back control of their lives from the corporations who profit from the blood of the people? As an aside it was benevolent Extra Terrestrials(Pleaidian) who disabled the missle fired by the Chinese off the coast of California but thats another story.

  33. AndwinMarch 3, 2011 at 2:00 pm #

    What do we need stealth bombers for? Defense? Let the U.S. continue to “defend” us as they protect our natural resources for their ultimate use. Since when has the U.S. cared about people ANYWHERE including their own country? This defense thing is nothing but a cruel joke. Meanwhile, we have people who are homeless, mal-nourished and so many, many more who are MISINFORMED!!

  34. Jim ReeveMarch 3, 2011 at 1:58 pm #

    Having these planes would make it more likely that Canada will get into more unnecessary wars. We humans must find a solution to the problem of war. Seeing Canadian forces in another country killing the people of that country makes my heart ache. Be wise; don’t purchase F-35s.

  35. jacques lussierMarch 3, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

    The fact that this “Ethical, transparent and moral” government relies on “Christian” values and often refers to family values etc…is mindboggling; jails and less rehab,teenagers thrown with experienced criminals…(imagine the scenes),less money for peacekeepers(UN “casques bleus”) more for Stealth fighters and the whole killing business? Well,what ever happened to “thou shall not kill” and compassion?
    Of course respecting women,natives, and those who assault them is too costly for them, it seems.

    They not only scare me, they insult the book they swear upon.Let’s rally everyone we can, you don’t want these guys to run this great country (what’s left of it)with a majority.Stand warned…

    Excuse my French.

    Jacques Lussier
    Montréal.

  36. Eugene SpanierMarch 3, 2011 at 11:48 am #

    The purchase of stealth fighter jets is not a good idea for Canada or canadians. We are in deepening debt and deficit. We could easily forego this expenditure and put the money to more immediate, effective use supporting the Canadian economy, planting the seeds for the future prosperity of canadians.

  37. Cecily SmithMarch 3, 2011 at 11:12 am #

    There is enough money being devoted to killing. Use it to save the Environment and it will help all people survive.

  38. john corsigliaMarch 3, 2011 at 10:40 am #

    Canadians, myself included, do not wish to swagger about the world making big $ from the extraordinarily stupid arms race. We don’t want to be Yankees North.

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