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Remembrance Day was first marked within the British Commonwealth (which included Canada) on November 11, 1919, at 11 a.m. to commemorate the end of the First World War upon the German signing of the Armistice and to remember those in the armed forces who gave their lives.

Back then, the majority of the people killed in wars were soldiers. Today it is civilians who pay the highest price. In the first six months of 2013, there was a 23% increase in civilian casualties in Afghanistan – 1,319 civilians died and 2,533 were wounded from January to June this year (CBS News, 31 July 2013 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57596272/).

But in many Remembrance Day ceremonies, and especially in Ottawa, the focus is on commemorating wars, rather than trying to prevent war itself.

A survey completed in 2012 by Abacus Data showed that young people between the ages of 18 and 30 are becoming increasingly disengaged from Remembrance Day ceremonies. 47% of respondents said they were not planning on attending any ceremonies on November 11 or commemorating the day.

Yet a majority of young people said that “the reminder of the need for peace” was the most important reason for Remembrance Day, after honouring veterans and those Canadians who have lost their lives serving in wars. One in four said it was the most important reason of all.

The youth want to see more of a peace message in Remembrance Day.

And they’re doing something about it.

Our volunteer youth have been distributing November 11 peace-themed pins in Ottawa. The pins feature a white poppy – which many of us have come to know as a powerful peace symbol on Remembrance Day – and the personal statement of “I Remember for Peace.”

They will also be speaking to media about why they want a peace message in Remembrance Day.

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293 Responses to “Do you remember for peace?”

  1. Sandra SmithNovember 14, 2013 at 1:45 am #

    I wear a red Poppy for remembrance. I remember my father who served from 1938 to 1963. My father who was a peace loving man and was against war though he served his country in the military. I remember his desire for all to live in peace, his desire for better lives for all – his comrades and their families, the civilians left at home or caught up in the war. The soldiers and civilians who fought for their own countries. He understood they were doing their best for their future. I remember his contempt but understanding for the profiteers and politicians. I remember the constant pain he lived with from damage received in Asia during the war and which finally killed him in 1987. He was a fighter for all and a lover of all. 3 months before he died he carried the flag in the Legion parade then shared a beer with his friends.

    I would be proud to wear a white poppy for peace as well as a red poppy for remembrance. I know he would proudly join me.

  2. JohnNovember 12, 2013 at 3:04 am #

    A Canadian living in Belgium, I was at the Canadian National Vimy Memorial yesterday. It was a stark and moving testament to the horrors of war. Yes, the red poppy may be misconstrued by some as glorifying war, but the most prominent quote at the visitor center quickly dispels any of those notions.
    The white poppy campaign is simply irrelevant. Those who know the true meaning of the red poppy and understand that is DOES encompass all of you who are disgusted with the horrors of war and strive for peace.
    (The quote is by a veteran of the Great War, at aged 105 in 1996)

    • VeronicaNovember 12, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

      I think the white poppy could complement the red one, if worn the rest of the year as a reminder that the past is war, the future is peace, and that it will only come if each of us practices and promotes it daily year round. My father was in the Civil Defense during World War II, after his ship (a civilian ship) was torpedoed by a German submarine and he experienced how terror paralyzed them when they were illuminated by reflectors and thought for a moment that they would die. Instead they were given biscuits and sweet water and pointed the way to row (4 days and nights) to Africa, the nearest coast. As soon as he started rowing, the fear subsided, and he realized he would have to do something upon arriving in England, or fear would paralyze him still, so he enlisted to help wounded people, remove debris, corpses, and rebuild what they could after bombings. Indeed, “never again” was their aim and feeling. Peace starts from within and gets extended to the rest of us- all of us. Give peace to have it. Let’s wear both red and white poppies in lapels and in particular in our minds, till the world stands in glorious peace. Let’s extend peace as mothers would: stop fighting children, just share the peanuts half and half. Stop throwing out food to keep prices up while others starve. Stop creating the conditions for violence through greed and inequality. Start truly living, finding what it means to be human.

      • Heather O'MearaNovember 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

        Well said, Veronica. I would gladly wear a white poppy beside my red one next year, and I have no difficulty explaining that it is not disrespectful of veterans. I’m ok with removing my white poppy on November 11 to prove that point.

    • Heather O'MearaNovember 12, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

      Thank you for sharing that, John. You make a very good point. I think we need to keep educating people about what the red poppy really means. However, I also think that what the white poppy speaks to that is is impossible to truly separate Remembrance Day from politics, to the point that most people who insist that we we do so, are actually scoring political points with their message. (sorry if that’s really convoluted) In my opinion, the white poppy points out that we now know that wars are often based on justifications that turn out to be lies. Vietnam and Iraq were both based on falsified evidence. A white poppy mourns the loss of life while reminding us of the uncomfortable reality that the reasons for those tragic losses are not always what they seem. I think the emotional reaction comes from the fear that our soldiers died for nothing, but this is never the case. We will always honour the good men and women who did what was right to the best of their knowledge. Because of this, I think that correct white poppy ettiquette would suggest that we remove the white poppy on November 11 and just wear the the red on that very special day.

  3. Jason CNovember 11, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    From a soldier to a bunch of thankless, selfish, immature kids be thankful that you have freedom to be able to post on this site. If you oppose the red poppy then frankly you need to join the army and help the real men and women fight for freedom. No. Then shut your over- privileged mouths and remember that most of your grandparents or great grandparents fight in those wars.

    • Jim SinclairNovember 11, 2013 at 10:36 pm #

      That kind of contempt and judgmental attitude for Canadians coming from a Canadian soldier, tells me that you have no love for anyone but your brothers and sisters in uniform, and for combat itself. You call ungrateful, people who lament the deaths of heroic family members by wearing a different colour poppy. You call us “a bunch of thankless, selfish, immature kids” who should be thankful for the freedom that you’d rather we didn’t have, because in your opinion we don’t deserve it.

      Such talk betrays the freedom-destroying attitude of the militant fascism that our friends and family fought against in WWII. That it comes from one of our own breaks my heart and tells me that our sacred freedoms are now in great danger, as it appears we didn’t know until now that we lost WWII.

    • Heather O'MearaNovember 12, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

      Again, I wonder how much of the conflict here is that we seem to have difficulty separating the interconnected relationships between soldiers, generals, politicians, governments and citizens. A common theme I see in these comment threads is one person making assumtions about others’ motivations. Do we all want to make the world a better place where war is unnecessary? Can we have a civilized conversation about how best to do that?

  4. Heather O'MearaNovember 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. A distinction needs to be made here between the soldiers who gave their lives and those who sent them to their deaths. My red poppy says thanks to vets who did what was right, to the best of their knowledge. If I wear a white poppy it also says shame on the governments who lied to those good men and women and fail to keep the promise made to treat them with the dignity and respect they deserve. I saw only red poppies at the cenotaph today, and while I think that is appropriate on November 11, I wouldn’t mind seeing a white poppy beside a red poppy, as I understand that they are just two colours of the same flower. I think the most shameful thing about this whole controversy is the way Sun News used incredibly shoddy ‘journalism’ to sow dissent, stir up conflict and score cheap political points. If you fell for it, you might consider that Fantino made his inflammatory comments to deflect valid criticism of his ministry of Veterans’ Affairs horrible treatment of vets.

    • Heather O'MearaNovember 11, 2013 at 6:00 pm #

      BTW; I think the phrasing of your question “Is Remembrance Day too much about war and not enough about peace?” is part of the problem. It sets up and either/or choice – a false dichotomy. It’s fair to call out opportunistic politicians who use Remembrance Day to score points that they can use in the next election. It is not fair to suggest that remembering thousands of Canadians who died in war represents any kind of support for how or why they died. I understand how people get confused, but I think it would be wise for white poppy proponents to do a better job of communicating by being clear enough that nobody will think they are disrespectful to vets. Just sayin’

  5. Teresa PorterNovember 10, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

    They said it was “the war to end all wars”; they said “never again” I will remember them on November 11th with love and thankfulness in my heart, because I know that they fought and longed for peace, peace in our time. I too will remember for peace.

    • roiNovember 11, 2013 at 11:52 am #

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  6. BrianNovember 10, 2013 at 2:07 am #

    Claiming the Red Poppy Campaign glorifies war is like saying the Yellow Daffodil Campaign glorifies cancer

  7. Clint LaForgeNovember 9, 2013 at 11:14 pm #

    I absolutely honor the innocent men and women who fought and died in war, with the belief that they were attempting to achieve freedom and peace for all.
    However, the only winners in war are the architects and opportunists who are profiting, often from both sides; including bankers, industrialists, and political power players. We must stop playing into their game.

    Commenters who suggest that wearers of white poppies are somehow disrespectful and ‘should be shot’, are of the old eye for an eye paradigm, which is fortunately on its way out.

    Support for PEACE will mean the death of future Wars… Imagine a world where there is no fighting, no wars, no wasteful war machine. Peace and harmony are the universal natural state. The white poppy indicates a break from the old paradigm of War, violence, and force; moving toward peaceful negotiation, compromise, and co-operation throughout the world. In this world success will be measured not by economic metrics like GDP or phony Job numbers, but by standards of quality of life and Happiness quotient.

    • Jim SinclairNovember 10, 2013 at 12:53 am #

      Amen to that!

    • Barb ANovember 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

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      • Barb ANovember 10, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

        What was impolite? Was it the suggestion you are “delusional”? Or the comments about tree hugging and smoking weed? My comments were as polite as I could muster, given the drivel that you and your ilk were spouting. #GETSOME

  8. RobertNovember 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

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    • HeatherNovember 10, 2013 at 12:00 am #

      Amen!!!

    • Jim SinclairNovember 10, 2013 at 12:50 am #

      I think you have to remember that Canada wasn’t attacked, so the soldiers didn’t die to protect our freedoms, but to protect and defend freedom for OTHERS. Our boys felt that going to war was necessary because they thought the wars to be just causes. They went to war to achieve a hopefully lasting PEACE. They didn’t die for our country, but for other people in the name of our nation.

      It is very painful to me that the red poppy has been co-opted to glorify wars of aggression for profit. I always used to wear a red poppy, but I can’t anymore because its real meaning has been subverted. I might now be confused with the very people who disgust me…the supporters of war for profit. Believe me; it really hurts that I can no longer wear the red one.

      • rclrNovember 10, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

        Please get your facts straight. Canada was in fact attacked in WWII, by the Japanese at Estavan Point in BC, and with german subs infiltrating St. John’s harbour. There were also numerous attacks by u-boats on Canadian convoys.

        As a part of the British commonwealth, it was indeed our freedoms that were under attack in both WWI and WWII.

        The red poppy is not a glorification of war, but a remembrance of those who sacrificed during times of war in order to preserve peace and freedom. To say that those who died did not die for their country is both disrespectful and shameful.

        Want to wear a white poppy? Fine – have a day of remembrance/hope/whatever for peace. But don’t subsume this incredibly important and honourable time when we remember and thank those who protected us, our nation and our freedom.

        • Jim SinclairNovember 11, 2013 at 11:29 am #

          “To say that those who died did not die for their country is both disrespectful and shameful.”

          Whatever those who died ACTUALLY fought for is irrelevent. What is relevent is what they BELIEVED they fought and died for. I honour their sacrifice for what they believed, and firmly believe that had any of them known the true WHY of what caused the wars, there would not have been a soldier on either side that would ever have taken up the arms to fight his fellow man.

      • Barb ANovember 10, 2013 at 11:23 pm #

        Well said, rlcr. Might I direct you, Jim Sinclair, to the website below.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_St._Lawrence

        • Jim SinclairNovember 11, 2013 at 11:21 am #

          This is neither the time nor place to engage in an argument about the sacrifice of “Our” boys nor of “who started it”, or were the “bad guys” of the wars. I’ll say only that NOBODY marches off to war believing they are the bad guy. EVERYONE thinks they are fighting a just and defensive war against something evil.

          I remember today, the similar sacrifice made by the “enemy” soldiers, who felt the same as we did, that they fought a just war. Their sacrifice was no less noble than ours.

          Try to remember that the poppy (of any colour) is intended not to glorify war, but to stand as an indictment of it, and to jog our memory on this eleventh hour of the eleventh day, that we finally laid down our swords and made peace, if only (unfortunately) for a little while.

  9. Ryan MathesonNovember 9, 2013 at 5:01 pm #

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  10. John KruithofNovember 9, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    I wish resources earmarked for carrying out wars were devoted to peace instead.

  11. DeanNovember 9, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    My Father was a veteran of WW II and he witnessed constant combat and warfare virtually without pause from July 1944 until November 1944. When I became an adult he told me about his journey through France, Belgium and Holland. He said war is terrible and should not be experienced by any human being. He said there was no glory in killing or being killed. He said everyone suffered, the soldiers, the children and families trapped by the fighting. The destruction of homes and people’s lives was heartbreaking. He was awarded medals and did his best to protect the lives of his fellow soldiers and civilians. He tried to respect his enemy even while they fought to the death. I will remember his sacrifice and the sacrifice of all who suffered and who continue to suffer war.

    I REMEMBER FOR PEACE. The red poppy and the white for all humanity.

    • Rob GNovember 10, 2013 at 7:33 am #

      Great words. It shows intelligence and wisdom. Thank you. (Can we all stop bidkering about the colour of poppies now?)

      • Heather O'MearaNovember 12, 2013 at 5:12 pm #

        Sadly, I think not. The intense emotional reactions have less to do with poppy colour than a basic misunderstanding of the underlying motivations of people on the “other side” of the argument. It would be helpful if we could try to find some common ground, for example the slogan ‘Never Again’ that comes from the War Amps.
        On a psychological level, is is very difficult to absorb the full ramifications of the knowledge that what may have been the ultimate cause of thousands of Americans deaths was to achieve very concrete gains in American hegemony and the protection of revenue streams for American corporations. What does it say about the people who trusted their government? That they were unwise to do so? Hindsight is 20/20, and we need to be mindful of the range of emotions that will flood minds that are processing this kind of information for, perhaps, the first time.

  12. WayneFNovember 9, 2013 at 8:39 am #

    I know how Steven Staples feels. Last Nov. I had a friend FB-unfriend me over my post over this very issue: taking the focus OFF war-mongering.

    Let’s be clear: this is not MEANT to be disrespect for veterans or anyone otherwise touched by war. On the contrary, hats off and heart goes out to you.

    There remains however a powerful faction on the planet whose goal is the perpetuation of war – because they profit by it in money and power. They love Remembrance Day (and Memorial Day, and…) as it is CURRENTLY observed, because it tends to glorify war (under a maudlin layer of crocodile tears for those who have died).

    The remedy is to focus on PEACE, not “fight” war as the current practice stands (or pretends to). So, a day to “Remember Peace” is what Nov.11 is now.

    • Barb ANovember 11, 2013 at 1:12 am #

      @Wayne. 11 November is not a day to “Remember Peace now”. Read a history book, start by googling “Armistice Day”. You don’t get to change what this day is, simply by willing it to be and hijacking its symbol, or threatening a sit-in at the National War Monument. I can assure you those ‘powerful factions’ don’t attend the Remembrance Day ceremonies that I attend, nor are any of these services a “glorification” of war. You currently enjoy the freedom to believe what you do, and to say it out loud, because brave men and women shed their blood and lost their lives protecting Canada and her allies from an oppressive, murderous regime. Don’t believe me? Look it up. Germans had U Boats in the St Lawrence! Japan bombed Pearl Harbour. Tyranny was on our doorstep! Do you enjoy the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? I’d suggest that you do, given your penchant for sharing publicly your thoughts. Furthermore, whether (and I’d disagree with you on this) this white poppy campaign is MEANT to be disrespectful to veterans, it IS disrespectful…as you and Steven Staples are no doubt aware. Yet, instead of promoting your cause any one of the other 362 days (you should probably leave Christmas and Easter alone too), which would be less divisive, you choose the ONE day of the year and the ONE symbol which would give your sect the notoriety you seek. You drank the cool aid Wayne. All you 30-something or 40-something pacifists are welcome to your beliefs, that’s the beauty of living in this country. You can’t trample mine though, so stay away from the cenotaphs, those belong to the War Dead. Take your #whitepoppy to the legislative grounds, it’s more appropriate, less hurtful. Isn’t that what pacifists are all about?

  13. IONovember 8, 2013 at 7:29 pm #

    Wishing to STOP being in collusion and complicit in maiming and killing of others by remembering PEACE is the goal. My taxpayer money is funding this despicable addiction and I wish I had the choice to STOP this abomination. I wish people had the opportunity to fully realize what is going on and how history has been corrupted to support a fallacy injurious to the whole world. Perhaps the deceived and misinformed would benefit from these facts of our less then admirable history.

    “All Wars Are Bankers’ Wars”

    http://youtu.be/5hfEBupAeo4

  14. K FNovember 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    I have never truly understood why Remembrance Day is so limited in its scope. Innocent people die in every war on all sides of the conflict. They are both soldiers and civilians, old and young, men and women, good and bad, heroes and cowards, and so on. Disagreements and different ways of doing things will always exist. But violence in the name of settling these differences is what we should seek to avoid. This is known as peace and this is what should be remembered and celebrated.

  15. Phyllis CreightonNovember 8, 2013 at 3:32 pm #

    The Red Poppy I wear as a choir member in the Remembrance Day Concert at my church honours the sacrifices of veterans in wars past. Our anthems lament death and dashed hopes in wars. The wars I have seen in my long life left more problems than they set out to solve. So war leads to more war. Never forget that the weapons industry profits greatly from them and, by ever increasing production and sales, fuels them. In public I wear a white poppy that bears the word “Peace” because that is what our world desperately needs. In a world armed to the teeth, especially with the nuclear arsenals to which power-hungry nations cling (for an alleged “security” that use of nuclear weapons would annihilate), a world also threatened by the climate crisis to which gas guzzling fighter planes, destroyers, and military vehicles contribute huge quantities of greenhouse gases, we need peaceful, non-violent methods of resolving conflict. And there are many in the 21st century, negotiation, dispute resolution, conflict management, the list goes on. Let’s try peace: Peace is the Way.

  16. Wilfred OwenNovember 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
    Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
    Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
    And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
    Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
    But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
    Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
    Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
    Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
    Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
    But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
    And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
    Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
    As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
    In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
    He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
    If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

  17. Onni MilneNovember 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

    As a child of war, I know the value of peace. There is no question that our current government fosters confrontation by all means to gain its ends. I will remember for peace because that is what humans long for and pay dearly for when war mongers steal our decision making. The term “cannon fodder” is the reality for millenia as mostly poor, uneducated men are sent to their death for a corrupt leader.

  18. SeanNovember 8, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    The legion doesn’t charge for poppies. They accept donations.

  19. DilovelyNovember 8, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    My grandfather (an American) parachuted into Normandy. He knew he was fighting a good fight, but he also knew it wasn’t glorious. He approved when his son decided to move to Canada to avoid killing Vietnamese people. If he were alive today, I know it would frustrate him deeply to see how far we haven’t come on this issue.

  20. Mary Lou HarleyNovember 8, 2013 at 11:20 am #

    Militarism has usurped Remembrance Day for glorification of war.
    I remember for my father who gave his youth and his health on the front lines in WWII;
    I remember for all the military and civilian men, women and children who live the horrors of war zones;
    I remember for those offering for military service today, that their lives and families be respected, that they not be put into needless danger, and that their missions be those that promote peace;
    I remember in hope for an end to the promotion of violence in our society.
    I remember for peace.

  21. jerrodNovember 8, 2013 at 1:24 am #

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    • Concerned CitizenNovember 8, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

      I Second that.

    • IONovember 8, 2013 at 7:37 pm #

      Our criminally insane governments have a job for you then. Of course, it will be voluntary and you will receive no benefits for this job when you return from your duty of killing.

    • JanetNovember 9, 2013 at 3:27 am #

      Nice to see such graphic evidence that violent impulses spring from the opponents, rather than the wearers, of white poppies!

    • DeanNovember 9, 2013 at 10:05 am #

      You have really misunderstood why our men fought and died in WW II. Your comment brings to mind the NAZI attitude. I pray for your enlightenment.

  22. Ian ClarkeNovember 8, 2013 at 12:28 am #

    The disgusting commentary left by Mr. McLean notwithstanding, Remembrance Day is utterly about peace. No one can read of war and its history without being sickened by the utter slaughter of humankind military and civilian it has entailed for millenia. I weep every Remembrance day in sorrow for the cost my father described to me in the loss of his squadron companions and the damage it did to him permanently. Weeping is the proper response to our sorrow about war and its costs, and the squandering of human life.

  23. Respect 4 VetsNovember 7, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

    The sacrifices you thumb your noses at with this malicious campaign are the only reason that organizations like yours are able to exist: because the men and women who defend our country are willing to put their lives on the line to protect democracy and freedom of expression. How dare you try to subvert an the one day a year that we set aside to honour them?

  24. Raymond CowellNovember 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

    In an editorial by the late Peter Worthington in the Toronto Sun, Worthington notes how we as Canadians fight for “peace,” while the Americans fight for “freedom.” http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/peter_worthington/2010/10/08/15630706.html
    Along with this notion, all in the name of “peace,” we Canadians are choosing to forgo many traditions, rituals and ideologies to “peacefully” be politically correct, and honor our mosaic culture. This can also be seen in the present debate of wearing a white poppy with or instead of wearing the traditional red poppy. Critics will argue that it is their RIGHT to wear which ever colour poppy they choose, and this is in fact correct, but is it right? I mean the question should be asked; just because we have acquired such freedoms, should we carry them out? Simpler still, just because we could, does it mean we really should?
    Though peace is so very important, is it of outmost importance,? I say no! Peace is a tricky word, with heavy and diverse meaning, but in the case of both World Wars, should we have gone to war, absolutely! In the cases of world tyranny, peace is sometimes not an option, no matter how much we may want it. Peace should always be sought, but not when our freedoms are at stake. As a Christian, I have always grown closer to God, not in times of peace but in times of trials. In my marriage, there have been seasons of peace, but we have bonded and grown closer in times of hardship. Though peace is important, it is not of the utmost importance. I think that our culture has been corrupted by the misuse of the term peace, and it is using it to gain leverage to change policies, practices and progress. Sometimes as people, we need to be shaken out our slumber, challenged and offended. We need to see the world for what it truly is, and sometimes we need that hard message. I think the individuals running this new white poppy campaign need to take a minute and reflect, because if they truly believe in peace, they are causing great division between them and the veterans we are to honor on November 11th, and that my friends, is not peace.
    In Worthington’s article he states: “We have become so culturally sensitive, that as Melanie Phillips says in The Spectator: ‘Certain groups of ‘victimized’ people…enjoy a sort of Protected Species status, in that they must never be offended.’ Included are ethnic minorities, single mothers, Muslims, gats, etc.’” Worthington goes on: “Today, Jesus mustn’t be mentioned in schools for fear of offending. Even ‘Merry Christmas’ has been corrupted to ‘Season’s Greetings.’ Prostitutes are no longer that, but ‘sex trade workers.’” It is this fear to offend and this abuse of freedom that is getting out of hand.
    As a Christian, the Bible teaches of something that is more important than peace, and more important than freedom, and that is LOVE. And if take a minute, and love our veterans, that is, have a discussion with them, their thoughts and feelings about Remembrance Day, what symbols, traditions and rituals THEY want for us to Remember, and they come back with the Red Poppy, then so be it. It is our veterans that are telling us that the Red Poppy is not a symbol of war, but that of sacrifice. It is based off of the anti-war poem In Flanders’s Fields. We need to remember the people, the veterans, and to love and honor what THEY did, and more importantly, what was sacrificed. Just because we ARE free doesn’t mean we should abuse such freedoms while obtaining from love.
    In one of Paul’s letters to the church in Corinth, he writes about the importance of using his new found freedom, he writes:
    “Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
    That my friends IS LOVE! We need to sometime be humble, look at things from a different view, a different perspective, and again, understand, that though we are free to do many things, doesn’t mean we should always act on such freedoms. My misusing such freedoms, we remove power from the sacrifice behind them. It is important to always act out of love FIRST, and through such acts, we will find peace and freedom.

  25. MarcNovember 7, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    Remembrance……to understand the ugliness of war and to denounce it as a way to create employment and boost the economy. Remembrance without a commitment to peace is disrespectful to those who have fought and lost their life, rather “empty” and self-serving.

  26. Catherine WaltherNovember 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

    Veterans I know are also remembering Nov. 11th with regards to never having to go through a war again. Peace is the only way to respectfully remember all those who gave of themselves for the sake of us all. If we haven’t achieved or aren’t working towards peace, what’s the point in all their suffering?

  27. Mally DeeNovember 7, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

    My family took refuge in Canada to avoid war in Europe. I am forever grateful, and cannot imagine the horrors of war that continue every day in our world.
    I wear a white poppy in the hope that someone will give a thought to spending as much effort on working for peace as in supporting war.

  28. Terence StoneNovember 7, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    I’m a military veteran and completely understand your position on wearing the red poppy for your grandfather and others. I fought in two regional wars and we bore a number of dead. Since then I’ve slightly shifted my perspective. It wasn’t the “sacrifice” of my buddies who died. It was those who sat in high places who “sacrificed” them. What hasn’t been said much about the white poppy is its historical significance for innocent civilians who are increasingly the victims of war. So, with respect, I wear the red and white poppy together to honour the dead–military and civilian. And above all I refuse to allow the State–any State–to corrupt the dignity of those who died by turning it into spectacle that implicitly glorifies war. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori is a gigantic lie perpetuated through millennia.

    • diane wallrichNovember 7, 2013 at 10:56 pm #

      You speak my mind exactly…thx. A famous (retired) general commented that “War is a racket!”…’fraid so.

  29. RMcleanNovember 7, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

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    • JanetNovember 9, 2013 at 4:06 am #

      If you really were concerned with honouring “every soldier who sacrificed their blood” you would be thankful for the white poppy, because it symbolizes exactly what most WWII soldiers were fighting for: a future without wars. As such it honours them with the highest form of remembrance.

      • Jason CNovember 11, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

        Join the army and go overseas and when you see what country’s do to there women, Kids, animals you would change your mind

    • Jim SinclairNovember 10, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

      Maybe you should re-read “In Flanders Fields” and note that the only peace that comes from war is the peace of the grave.

      The dead in Flanders Fields cry not for vengeance in their name by the warriors that follow, but for the unflagging resolve of decent men everywhere to fight diligently against the very thing that buried them in the fields…the injustice that necessitates war.

  30. Ron ContentNovember 7, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    IT IS THE SOLDIER

    It is the Soldier, not the minister
    Who has given us freedom of religion.

    It is the Soldier, not the reporter
    Who has given us freedom of the press.

    It is the Soldier, not the poet
    Who has given us freedom of speech.

    It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
    Who has given us freedom to protest.

    It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
    Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

    It is the Soldier, not the politician
    Who has given us the right to vote.

    It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
    Who serves beneath the flag,
    And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
    Who allows the protester to burn the flag

    • diane wallrichNovember 7, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

      No…this is the glorification of war that endlessly excuses NEW wars!

    • JanetNovember 9, 2013 at 3:45 am #

      This drivel imported from south of the border is great military propaganda, of course, and like most such propaganda is simply false. In Canada the freedoms mentioned in the “poem” are the result of many years of working class struggle for a better world. Militarism sucks billions of dollars away from potential solutions to social and environmental problems, including poverty and climate change, and toward the big corporations that profit from it. A white poppy expresses both remembrance (of all victims of warfare) and a commitment to peaceful resolutions of all international conflicts. Not possible you say? Then you are part of the problem.

    • Jim SinclairNovember 9, 2013 at 11:57 pm #

      It is the soldier without a conscience, who works for people who do not care if he lives or dies, who has:

      Taken away freedom of religion
      Taken away freedom of the press
      Taken away freedom of speech
      Taken away the freedom to protest
      Taken away the rule of law
      Taken away freedom of choice

      It is the TRUE soldier who salutes not the flag but what it should stand for
      who serves his countrymen unto death
      who lends honour to the flag that drapes his coffin
      who is happy if a protester burns the flag if it now dishonours the nation its meant to represent.

  31. Lynda HoogendoornNovember 7, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    Thank-you to all the war vets who gave us 68 (and counting) glorious year of peace in Canada and western Europe. Now THAT is an accomplishment to celebrate.

  32. David K. GilchristNovember 7, 2013 at 11:23 am #

    Does Harper (and The darkened “SUN”) really believe that all those soldiers went to fight because they loved the battle and enjoyed the violence and mayhem? Certainly not my Dad (who was awarded the OBE), nor any of his pals! They went there to try and STOP that kind of behaviour and to build a world of PEACE! Remembrance Day is to celebrate the cessation of the war. Why in Heaven’s name do they think they called WWI “The War To End All Wars”? It didn’t prove to be so; but that was certainly the hope of all those soldiers whom we celebrate.

    • JanetNovember 9, 2013 at 3:50 am #

      Well said! And I’ve known many veterans who would support the white poppy and the impulse toward peace that it represents. We hear about the views of some veterans’ organizations, but those views don’t represent all veterans. The greatest show of respect to the memory of those who have died in wars (both soldiers and civilians) is a sincere commitment to universal peace and an opposition to armed conflict.

  33. kurtNovember 7, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    below the surface storyline about political tensions/rivalries
    the truth is that war is a deliberate planned orchestrated
    wealth redistribution event in which insiders extract public wealth
    to commit the destruction, seize land and other assets in the chaos,
    then create public debt in the reconstruction

    the great tragedy is all of the pain and death and loss
    the even greater tragedy, which ensures the continuation of war
    is that people are willing to believe the bullshit and lies
    spun out by the political leadership in fealty to their owners

    what if THEY had yet another war, and nobody came?

  34. Sara-Anne PetersonNovember 7, 2013 at 8:49 am #

    My brother Bill who served in the Second World War though he was serving to ‘end all wars.’ He was still alive when Canadian troops went into Afghanistan and he felt betrayed.

    • diane wallrichNovember 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm #

      He and all other soldiers are endlessly betrayed, by leaders with greed and power as their hidden agenda,,,he term “cannon fodder” describes this mind set toward real soldiers…no:benefits, jobs, pensions, housing family support…no, they are disposable as tissues, after use.

  35. Ruth Bradley-St-CyrNovember 7, 2013 at 8:12 am #

    I remember for peace, not for war. I wear the red poppy in support of our veterans. I also wear a battalion ring from the Huron 161st battalion to remember that World War I, now a century ago, was supposed to be the war to end all wars. One of “the boys” gave this ring to my grandmother, and she gave it to me. I will always remember her telling me about the empty desks at her school, as one young man after another went off to war and never came back. Now our government denies the horrors of war by refusing to recognize and support returning soldiers with PTSD. We all need to work for peace. It is the ultimate security.

  36. David WaltonNovember 7, 2013 at 7:35 am #

    We must work for peace because violence begets more violence.The so called war on terrorism has made the world less safe than it was before. I also agree that we must get back to being peacekeepers and not just helping the U.S. in their wars for oil.

    • diane wallrichNovember 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm #

      Yes…absolutely!

  37. Jim CarmichaelNovember 7, 2013 at 7:09 am #

    Remembrance Day is a time to remember the horrors of war and the joy of peace. The November 11 commemoration dates back to the time that war ended, not when it began. It was a time for celebration, allowing for a return to a civilized world where the natural moral ban on killing and wounding others was restored in law.

    In Canada, we should certainly remember, with great respect, all those who were willing to give their lives for what they believed was a greater cause. We should also honor those who were forced to fight in wars they did not support. But, in the final analysis, we should remember that global war is no longer an option if we want this world to continue. There are too many weapons of mass destruction scattered around the planet to allow for any repeat of global warfare.

    Canada has a long tradition of peace-building and peace-keeping that should be remembered, respected and promoted. We should celebrate the fact that it was Canada that originated the concept of international peace-keeping forces. We should honor the decisions previous Canadian governments have made to keep us out of such horrific and wrong-headed wars as those in Vietnam and Iraq. Let’s hope that future Canadian governments will put all their energies towards finding peaceful solutions to world problems, so that new generations will never have to experience the atrocities and debilitation of war.

    • diane wallrichNovember 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

      Yes, but hoping is too anemic…we must demand better before voting for any candidate or party.

  38. Liessi from BCNovember 7, 2013 at 3:56 am #

    WWII was supposed to be “the war to end all wars.” Doesn’t anybody remember THAT? If we dug up 100 dead soldiers, I’ll bet every last one of them would prefer peace to war. Or maybe that’s just me.

  39. Jaci MetivierNovember 7, 2013 at 1:16 am #

    I’ve attended many Remembrance Day ceremonies, and brought my children with me so we could talk about war and how important it is to remember the horror and sorrow and pain that was experienced by soldiers and civilians alike. We need to remember especially when we live in a place where we do not have to live with bombs and snipers and bullets in our streets.
    I remember war so that I can imagine peace.

  40. Bill WallNovember 7, 2013 at 12:52 am #

    As a minister of the Church (now retired) I have conducted many Remembrance Day Services. Although it was difficult to do, I tried my best to deliver a message of peace amid the tradional symols and ceremonies that commemorate those who died and,to my mind,exalt patriotism and war above the unity of the human family and the need to “beat our swords into ploughshares and our spears into pruning hooks”. Wearing a white poppy is one way to promote, without words, a more positive focus for Remembrance Day.

  41. BobNovember 7, 2013 at 12:49 am #

    My grandfather fought in WWII, as a Major in an artillery unit. I respect the bravery of those who have spent time in a war, and I respect why they were fighting in the war. In most cases, it was because they were fighting for a better world, for a peaceful world.

    Sad that the Canadian government is pursuing more weapons of war instead of putting resources into peacekeeping. I am sorely disappointed in our government, and sad to say that I am no longer “happy” to tell other people that I am a Canadian when I travel.

    I remember for peace. That is what my grandfather would have wanted.

    • diane wallrichNovember 7, 2013 at 11:06 pm #

      Harper is totally insensitive to all human needs and concerns, even this he is a petro-state android….we need better, someone who understands what peace means and how to build it.

  42. Jim SinclairNovember 7, 2013 at 12:10 am #

    Remembrance Day is a Day of mourning for me as I remember the willing sacrifices of those who gave life and limb in “The War to End All Wars” in the faithful hope that it would be, and that Man would live in peace thereafter. Inasmuch as we’ve had nothing but war after war since that time, I dare say that the sacrifice of the soldier is NOT being in the least respected by countries which now hold alliances with rogue states and conduct wars of aggression for profit, using the “responsibility to Protect” doctrine as a hypocritical smokescreen for murder and pillaging on a grand scale. Sad to say, Canada has become one of the countries that has so little respect for the sacrifice of the soldier that it almost turns my stomach to acknowledge that I’m a Canadian! I can only say that I am NOT part of THAT Canada! I live and work for PEACE because unlike the de facto Government of Canada and it’s warmongers who have absolutley no respect for the soldiers’lives they spend to willingly for PROFIT, I RESPECT the soldier and HONOUR his sacrifice by striving for a more peaceful world.

    MY vision of and for Canada may be likened more to the vision of Lester Pearson. My vision is of a great and proud nation of peaceful and caring people actively waging PEACE as fiercely as we have ever waged war. And to spite the devious and evil warmongering machinations of the likes of Harper and his lackey ministers, I have absolutely no doubt that My vision for Canada will prevail over Harper’s, for I have learned to wage peace far more fiercely than Harper and his crew could ever hope to wage war!

    ALWAYS REMEMBER…The soldier made the ultimate sacrifice for PEACE, NOT for war!

    MY poppy will be WHITE this year and every year!

    • RobertNovember 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm #

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      • Jim SinclairNovember 9, 2013 at 11:25 pm #

        Have we become such a nation of bloodthirsty animals that the warrior for peace is to be exiled? I could forgive the remark you made in such ignorance if it was the flippant off the cuff response of a child that I suspect it to be. What I cannot forgive is that your attitude would vote to have more wars and more bloodshed because you glory in the violence, death and mayhem with no true understanding of the horrors of war, nor of the soldier’s noble sacrifice for peace. It is my most fervent hope that you will never have to endure the hell of your forefathers before you see the error of your ways.

        It pains me no end to have to wear a white poppy, because the true symbolism of the red is to represent the blood spilled for peace, but because that symbol has been co-opted by profiteering monsters to glorify that which it properly condemns, I am left with no choice but to wear white, lest I be counted among my enemies as one of them.

      • JanetNovember 10, 2013 at 4:22 am #

        Tell me, Robert, how you would feel if someone suggested that you should be kicked out of Canada for being intolerant of the views and actions of others?

  43. GertrudNovember 6, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

    My father was called to be a soldier in WWI for the Russian army just shortly after he turned 18 in 1914 —– he willingly became a soldier again to help free his homeland – the Baltic States, now Latvia and Estonia, from the Red Army —– and then in 1939 he was once again called to be a soldier in the German army, after he and his family arrived back in the Reich following the pact between Stalin and Hitler! He spoke little of his experiences during those years, mainly of the deprivations of soldiers and civies alike. I remember WWII and its aftermath, although I was only a small child. YES, I REMEMBER for PEACE, daily, for WAR IS HELL for soldier and civie alike and NO, I do not sport a poppy! But I will do all I can to remind people that PEACE and human dignity can be achieved!

  44. R. Don PeelNovember 6, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

    Being a student in a Peace Education program (Masters) for the last 4 years i have developed an understanding that Canada had great potential to become a world leader in “peace building” until our role as a “peace keeper” was replaced with a militaristic agenda. “Remembering for Peace” echoes the sentiments of global community after WW1 who reacted to the destruction of war by declaring WWI as “the war to end all wars”. National security can be achieved in a civilized manner, starting with diverting all the money spent on weaponry development into “education” (education that stimulates a passion for learning).

  45. Ingmar LeeNovember 6, 2013 at 10:36 pm #

    Remembrance Day in Canada has turned into a farcical militarists nostalgia fest that insults all those who are coerced, tricked or forced to slaughter and be slaughtered in wars. There is nothing in the official Canadian Remembrance Day Agenda that seeks to understand what it is that propels humanity into all-encompassing spirals of horrific violence, or seeks to learn to overcome such abysmal behaviour and practice a higher standard of human being. There isn’t even slightest hint of Peace in Canada’s “Red Poppy” Remembrance Day celebrations. And now after all that maiming, raping and slaughtering, we’re stuck with Stephen Harper…

  46. ElspethNovember 6, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

    People should know that war is not like in the movies. It is truly horrific. Peace is always something we must work for.
    From the War Amps site:

    http://www.waramps.ca/military.html
    Home > What We Do > Military Heritage Series

    “The War Amps believes that is has a responsibility to pay tribute to those who served, and to warn younger generations about the true horrors of war. Who better to recount the battles as they really happened than veterans who experienced war firsthand? The documentaries, music videos, and memoirs in the Military Heritage Series bring to life the experiences of the Canadian volunteers who served, and honour those who gave their lives. This is all part of Operation Legacy, The War Amps commitment to preserve Canada’s military heritage.”

    War Amps has a ‘never again’ message:
    “…theme fits exactly with The War Amps NEVER AGAIN! message.”
    http://www.waramps.ca/military/wwi/jmcd.html

  47. Peter WelchNovember 6, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

    Congratulations to ceasefire.ca for taking a strong stand against militarism on Remembrance Day. It’s not pleasant, but sooner or later, we have to get serious about changing this culture. We need to stop showing blind respect to anyone who puts on a uniform. The Canadian victories of World War II must not be used to bulldoze important public debates about the current and future role of the military. These debates is all the more critical now that Harper is in power.

    As long as people continue to join armies and follow orders, the world’s governments will continue to see war as a perfectly valid policy option. This will only stop when we make it stop. It’s not the 20th century anymore, and I will not support policies that defend an imaginary “us” at the expense of a sub-human, soulless “them.” War is our common enemy. Let’s find ways to stop being defeated by it.

  48. johnNovember 6, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    I have always respected and honoured our brave men and women who fought so valiantly against tyranny. I didn’t even dis returning vets who fought for the Americans during the Vietnam war, even though I was vehemently opposed to it.

    It’s not the average soldier’s fault. These wars have all been instigated by the Bankster criminals and thieves, the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Warburgs (aptly named) and so many more of that ilk. War is good for business and the Bankster’s business is war.

    For an interesting documentary from the 1930′s, look for “Dealers In Death”. It summarizes what happened in WWI and who benefited.

    A real General is one who tries to and wants to prevent war. The Banksters urge the Politicians to send the youth of countries to these wars. The Banksters then fund both sides, creating massive debt for all involved, then collect their blood money debts when it’s all over.

    It’s also sad to see how returning vets are just pushed aside after doing service to their countries.

    On Remembrance day, I will remember and thank those who served, were wounded, maimed, killed and traumatized and I won’t forget who causes all this misery.

    Mr. Harper wanted to sink our country into a massive debt with the expensive, useless piece of garbage, the F-35, he spent over a billion dollars creating a Police State in Toronto during the 2010 G-20 summit. He has spent a billion dollars on a spy facility that will probably be used to monitor Canadians, as well. We spend 450 million dollars annually on the use of an American Military spy satellite. Canada now has Military bases all over the world. Why? What the hell do we need all this for?

    Our reputation is tarnished, ruined by the increasing aggressiveness of our nation. We had a big part in the bombing of Libya, a country that did us no wrong and is now a failing state, destined to be at war with itself for some time. Bombs dropped by Canadian aircraft killed,and wounded countless innocent men, women, children and babies and destroyed people’s homes and the infrastructures of that country. Is that something to be proud of? MI, for one am ashamed at this country doing this kind of atrocity.

    BTW, the only voice that opposed our actions in Libya was the then newly-elected Elizabeth May of the Green Party. One might take that into consideration come next election.

    If Mr. Harper is against Peace, it’s no wonder. He is in bed with the American Military Industrial Complex, a puppet of the Pentagon, perhaps?

    I thought “Conservative” meant less spending, but the “Harper Government” is not Conservative, it is NeoCon, a somewhat copy of what is happening in the USA, and for them spending gazillions of dollars for a war machine is number one. Time to rethink when voting for this Americanized party.

  49. Nancy BeachNovember 6, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

    Please hear song on youtube, “Peace Sonnet Happy Thanksgiving!”

  50. Ralph SmithNovember 6, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    Remembrance day is to pay respect & tribute to family & friends who either gave their lives or risked it so right now we didn’t have to learn German, be butchered or keep under a thumb of a dictator. If we had lost WW2 then you wouldn’t have the rights or freedoms you have today. If our veterans didn’t fight for us you think peace demonstrators would of been able to of put Hitler in his place?

    This white button for peace on November 11 is the most disgraceful, unpatriotic & insulting thing that could of been shown to our veterans. Why not change this show of support for peace on a more suitable day,such as: April 1st? Make your point on a day where you are not offending our few surviving veterans. No one wants a war but sometimes it’s necessary to get involved.

    Here’s a difficult question for you. Rebels are using chemical weapons in Sierra killing inocents to try & remove their dictator. Now how do you want to stop this peacefully? Stand around with your white poppies on your jackets showing how much you’re against this? Economic sanctions? Like that will really work. The problem here is the rebels are terrorists so you either help a dictator who has his thumb on the people or support terrorist? You have to make a choice but for Christ sake choose another day to do it on, There is nothing that can be done peacefully to stop wars. I wasn’t around for the second work war but people understood what was happening & just did their best to be supportive & help out. The hippies try to protest using demonstrations to protest Vietnam & Korea but look where that got them. LEAVE OUR HERO’s ALONE & FIND ANOTHER DAY TO DO THE SISSY MARCH or you might just start a war.

    • johnNovember 7, 2013 at 12:17 am #

      Unfortunately these “rebels” for the most part, are al Qaeda and associates. They are monsters and the Amerikan government and the West are supporting these supposed “enemies”, the ones that supposedly did 911.

      It makes you wonder when a Politician like McCain goes to Syria for a photo op with people that line up little boys and execute them, “marry” little girls then do whatever they want to them, just to keep it legal, y’know, and they murder Christians, destroy their churches and religious objects, loot the historical relics of ancient Syria and blow off chemical weapons into villages.

      These are the most vile of scum and the West is supporting them, so don’t even think anybody from the West is coming to take out these filthy creatures.

      You had better give your head a shake and wake up to the fact that the West is rife with vermin posing as leaders. The USA is almost a Police State, all created in the name of protecting citizens from “terrorists”, the very thugs set up by the CIA and unleashed on the World.

      The invasion of Libya and North Africa, the unsettling of Egypt and now Syria is part of a plan to destabilize the Middle East, culminating in the destruction of Iran. Iraq and Afghanistan were just the beginnings of this Neocon agenda, an agenda that suits the Zionist government of Israel perfectly. The Neocons, for the most part are American-Israelis who hold dual citizenships.

      Their plans have been thwarted to some degree. The people of Egypt didn’t accept the Western-backed Muslim Brotherhood gov’t, a Fascist organization created in WWII and later used by Britain to counter-act Communists in the ME.

      One last point. There were no “hippies” during the Korean War. They appeared during the Vietnam War, but there were many segments of American Society that wanted that debacle stopped. The war protesters did eventually stop that criminal aggression. Even returning vets climbed on board the Peace Train.

      As for disgraceful, the Harper Government is throwing the returning vets to the dogs by cutting funding for these men and women, many who have physical and mental traumas. That’s what I call disrespectful. These People have fought a war for nothing. What started out as “Peacekeeping”, something that Canada was respected for, turned into just straight war, holding the fort until the Yanks were finished destroying Iraq.

      You probably voted for that Americanized puppet and war-monger Harper. Go read some damn History books, you can’t even get your decades right.

  51. Keith MurchNovember 6, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

    My father was approached to join the Royal Canadian Legion as he stepped off the train after returning from Europe where he had volunteered to serve in the front lines, been wounded in battle, and where he had been stationed while awaiting the ship home following the end of the Second World War.
    He became the Service Officer in our local Branch and as a pre-school child , I remember going with him to visit combat veterans from the First World War, some living in shacks that were really nothing better than a granary, one who still suffered from the effects of mustard gas used as a weapon, … the list goes on. I remember my father having to work very hard to access federal funds to pay for the funerals of some of these veterans who had been left, penniless, to fend for themselves. The members of the Legion worked to make a better federally-funded system that was more respectful of these individuals.
    I, too, became a member of the Legion and have served the organization for more than a quarter of a century. In that time I have had the pleasure and honour of conversing with Canadian Army, Navy, and Air Force veterans of wartime and peacetime. They expressed the sentiment, repeatedly, that war is a terrible thing and they stated that they had served so that successive generations would not have to. They admitted to working, sacrificing voluntarily, for peace.
    Can I, we, do less?

  52. Leo KurtenbnachNovember 6, 2013 at 8:45 pm #

    Congratulations to all for the many letters about the needless horrors of war, and the need for a more peaceful world. I totally agree with Dorothy N. Under the Harper government Canada has lost its reputation as a nation of peacekeepers. He has stated that he prefers to see Canadians as “courageous warriors”

    To Sean Wallace, I would respectfully suggest that he read the book, “War is a Racket” The author is Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler. He was America’s most decorated soldier.

    • Sean WallaceNovember 7, 2013 at 10:44 am #

      Respectfully, the issue is a group of individuals using a day to remember the sacrifice of so many men and women…many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice so we can live in peace, as a political statement or for political purposes. It’s a very “low” thing to do. As a Vet I can understand putting yourself out there and putting service over self….why the white poppy campaign organizers failed to understand the meaning of Remembrance Day is beyond me…it’s not about glorification of war. It’s difficult for someone who has never served their country to understand why a person chooses to serve their country…it’s never about going to war….its about protecting people who can’t protect themselves, it’s about defending basic human rights, it’s about delivering services like clean water, medical help in dangerous places. Anyone involved with the white poppy campaign will never convince me of their ideology and I don’t expect to convince them…what I do expect, as a Canadian…is for them to honour the sanctity of those who sacrificed so much for so many. Being a volunteer and serving is the greatest honour I have ever had.

  53. Jillian Lynn LawsonNovember 6, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

    I used to wear a red poppy – when I thought it meant remembering the dead so humanity would find a better way. But then Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan made it clear that November 11th was a day to champion war.

    Since then, I would prefer to wear a white poppy, or the decal for peace that Ceasefire provided.

    How can anyone scorn a preference for peace? For truly remembering the dead, and learning something important for the future.

  54. John ArdisNovember 6, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    It is essential we remember all those who sacrificed so much for the sake of PEACE. No one fought for the sake of continuing wars. Yet, Harper, at the bidding of the American military establishment spends our hard earned tax dollars on supplementing the American war efforts. Case in point, the Americans need us to buy their planes to lower their costs per aircraft. They need foreign buyers to offset their expenditures. When Canada had a better plane they insisted that Diefenbaker stop the Arrow production. The Conservatives maintain their posture of obedience to American demands. Peace would destroy the American military establishment economy.
    Let’s put our military spending in providing just compensation to wounded veterans and their families.

  55. David BeaudinNovember 6, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

    If given the opportunity the dead and injured would never vote for war. The politicians and generals vote for war because they don’t have to participate. Next time let’s send our politicians and generals into the field.

  56. Alfred MumaNovember 6, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    Remembrance Day is a day to remember why so many people over the years have died needlessly in armed conflicts. Needless because WW 1 was suppose to be the war to end all wars. It is a time to reflect on how we can better communicate, be more tolerant of each others beliefs and examine ways to settle differences through civilized peaceful and respectful ways.
    And yes to remember all those who have given their lives because politicians, country and world leaders have refused to talk with each other but instead are too quick to apply the use of force to settle disputes. Unfortunately as history has shown time and again, violence doesn’t create peace but perpetuates violence.

  57. Mike StewartNovember 6, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    WW II was fought to bring an end to a particularly villainous brand of political belief and its inevitable actions. One of the major features of that belief, Nazism, was the substitution of biased, untrue propaganda for facts and truth. I worry that our present national government is moving farther and farther down a similar road as the days pass and the “Harper government” continues to vilify, attack, and write off anyone who disagrees with its positions and its version of “the truth.”

  58. NitaNovember 6, 2013 at 6:05 pm #

    Remembrance day is an acknowledgement of the horrors of war and a day that is set aside to promise ourselves to try and not repeat the mistakes of the past. I am not proud of war and I will not glorify it. I feel sorrow for those who suffered. I remember war so that I can create peace.

  59. EricNovember 6, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    The only one in my immediate family who fought in a war was my grandfather, in the First World War. All I knew was that he was gassed. His life afterwards never seemed to come together very well, and he spent much time in the beer parlors with other vets. The more I learn about the “Great War” the more I realize that he, like so many others, probably suffered from PTSD. With his war buddies and his beer he spent his life after the war looking for peace. It’s something I value very highly!

  60. JohnNovember 6, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    When Remembrance Day was established by the king in 1919, it was specifically designed as a memorial event for the dead. It was not to remember the war, but to remember the dead. In 1914-1918 these were almost all soldiers. But times change, and now it is common for the civilian death toll to far outstrip that of soldiers. Now we must remember the civilian dead.
    The Canadian Government has lost their way, and turned our solemn ceremony for the dead into a commemoration of war, and even more sadly, into a call for more arms and more military spending.
    Shame on the government which dishonours the dead by using their bodies for buying weapons.

  61. Susan BainNovember 6, 2013 at 4:39 pm #

    Mr. Harper and his cronies glamorize war, but they don’t seem to understand how long the disastrous effects of war experiences affect both those who fight and those who are horribly injured. My father was a major in World War II, and was haunted by his experiences all his life. As a result, his family suffered too. Yes, we need to remember, but if we remember, surely that also means at the very least taking proper care of our veterans, as well as doing our best to work for peace. Surely we can find ways to resolve problems that do not include blowing up grandmothers and children.

  62. Eli PivnickNovember 6, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

    Remembrance Day used to be about “Never again” because the horrors of war are too great. Now, the horrors are worse than ever because it is mostly civilians who suffer. Remembrance Day should never be about war, as if we are promoting the arms industry. It must be about finding peace.

  63. Ruth NicolNovember 6, 2013 at 4:15 pm #

    Picture a Syrian boy, rigid with fear, eyes wide and blank, one minute bouncing a soccer ball, the next, sitting in the dirt, holding one of his legs in his arms.

    The leg is unattached to his body.

    Oh, the children.

  64. Douglas MeggisonNovember 6, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

    My father was a World War II veteran who fought in combat in places like Monte Cassino. He never owned a gun thereafter, and taught my sister & I to think of Remembrance Day as a sort of day of atonement. Harper and the militarists make a travesty of everything they touch with their neoliberal wand. We of the international peace brigades will prevail perhaps as early as e-day October 2015.

  65. Rudy FriesenNovember 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    To work for peace is to remember.

  66. RMcNovember 6, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    Canada should be Leading the World, Not a World Disgrace.

    What a Shock our Peace Keeping efforts took a Noose Dive in 2006 eh?…

  67. Wolfgang KrugerNovember 6, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    War is organized murder and the poppy is too attached to glorifying war and not peace.

    • Sean WallaceNovember 7, 2013 at 10:55 am #

      Respectfully, when my grandfather was killed by Germans defending Holland, he was doing it so the Dutch would have peace. So many people don’t realize what the world would be like now if the German Nazis won….for one…Either of us could be persecuted for what we’re writing about now. Anyone who ties the red poppy with war really doesn’t understand Canada contribution to peace in Europe. I find it disconcerting there are even these few Canadian ties with this white poppy campaign that just don’t get what Remembrance Day is about and how it’s being perverted for their own political means.

      So when you see the 95 year old man in his wheel chair, proudly wearing his medals and red poppy and remembering loss and what he gave up so you could have your opinion…say a little thank you to yourself….that’s the very least and human thing to do.

  68. alison ackerNovember 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

    We will have dozens of peaceful people at our regular white poppy commemoration at the Spanish Civil War statue in Victoria on Monday,half an hour before the regular red poppy service on the Legislature’s lawn across the street. We do not want any interruptions from their very martial cannon fire! i had a letter in the Victoria Times Colonist and a news report in the TC today and, so far,no backlash! We are quiet and gentle people, championing the need to work for peace,not war.

  69. Jane KeelerNovember 6, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    I am one of the many ex-American women who emigrated to Canada during the Vietnam war. Not only men who may fight directly, but women who love men, who are their mothers, sisters, or friends, oppose the brutality of war.
    War is a sad failure every time it occurs. It destroys and divides. It brutalizes humans, animals, architecture and the environment. I remember the horrors of WWI by reading Three Day Road. I remember the tragedies of WWII by my father’s stories, and I read of the ongoing failures in Syria, the Congo, Mali, etc. daily. We must remember for Peace. This does not discount the horrific personal sacrifices made, nor the criminal treatments of civilians, nor the stupidity of ‘friendly fire’ or hideous drone attacks. Remember for Peace.

  70. judith ApplebyNovember 6, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

    Brave soldiers who fought and died, were fighting for peace not to continue to make war. My father fought in the war, so I am not ignorant of what veterans have sacrificed, for PEACE not war.

  71. Paul GlassenNovember 6, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

    I first attended a peace rally in Washington, D.C., 48 years ago during the US war in Vietnam. (I became a conscientious objector and performed two years Alternative Civilian service in lieu of the military draft.) I now attend a weekly peace vigil in Parksville, British Columbia.
    All Canadians should deeply resent the Harper government’s high-jacking Remembrance Day to promote its war making agenda and arms build-up.
    The white poppy campaign was started in 1933 by the Co-operative Women’s Guild to remind us that war has civilian as well as military victims. This started to be more true with the first bombing raids of WWI and continues today with US drone attacks.
    Let’s remember peace.

  72. Dr. Bob AbellNovember 6, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

    I lost an uncle at Cape Gris Nez in France in 1944. He was not fighting for Steven Harper’s vision of Canada as a warrior Nation in support of our Canadian versions of Krupp, Messerschmidt, and Bayer Chemicals. He was fighting against Fascism and mitarism, not for it.

    • Dorothy N.November 6, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

      Precisely!

      This is also why my father and uncles, among so many others, fought in WW2.

      And why we must use the processes of Canadian justice and law to eliminate cheating and lies from the electoral process, together with the beneficiaries and proponents of these from our entire public service, from the top down, with real penalties involving jail terms for for those who attempt to betray and take power over us through the subversion of the electoral process.

      The ‘first past the post’ method of determining elections which enables minority parties working against the interests of Canadians to win must also be reformed, so that we may choose both our favoured and second-choice parties, so that true representatives of Canadians – honestly elected – form our government.

      We must make it clear that we will not be tricked or bullied into accepting liability for any corporate coup privately determined between corporate interests both in and out of government, as with these ‘trade agreedments’, (such as the catastrophic NAFTA and other existing Foreign Investment Protection Agreement (FIPA)-involving betrayals, of which TPP is said to be much worse,) intended to supersede our legal process, Canadian protective law, human, citizen, environmental, natural resource and legislative rights.

      The following would appear to be test cases, to establish precedent, and to force our submission to all uses and abuses any corporation involved may wish to force upon us, regardless of even our survival.

      http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/council-canadians/2013/09/eli-lillys-nafta-lawsuit-should-prompt-rethink-investor-rig

      Eli Lilly’s NAFTA lawsuit should prompt rethink of investor ‘rights’ deals
      By
      Stuart Trew
      | September 3, 2013

      … A lot of the outrage has to do with how the FIPA appears to give foreign companies extra-legal rights to challenge and claim compensation against public policies, regulations or decisions that interfere somehow with their profits. Coincidentally, it wasn’t hard to find examples of how this works since Canada had just been threatened with two high-profile NAFTA investment disputes: one against Quebec’s moratorium on hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, for natural gas; the other a direct assault on the courts and Canada’s freedom to set patent protection laws and norms. Both potential disputes — the companies are consulting with Canada before deciding whether to move their NAFTA lawsuits forward — contradict claims by the Harper government that investment treaties are about treating foreign and national investors the same. The latter case, a $500-million NAFTA lawsuit from Eli Lilly against the invalidation of two patents in Canada, would be so harmful to our democracy, and set such a dangerous international precedent, that it cannot be allowed to proceed. …

      … On September 14, 2010, a federal court agreed with Novopharm lawyers, invalidating Lilly’s patent for not living up to the “inventive promise” of atomexetine at the time of filing for patent protection. …

      … Another federal court had invalidated the Zyprexa patent two years before it was meant to expire. Subsequent appeal courts overturned part of that decision but maintained that the Zyprexa patent was invalid on grounds of inutility since the product did not live up to Lilly’s promise that it would be markedly superior to existing medication. …

      We do not have democratic government in order to effectively hand over control of Canadian’s legislative power to self-interests via trade, and nobody, no party or organization, has a right to do this. …

      Nor will we accept the ultimatums and multi-million/billion-dollar ‘legal’ extortions for ‘perceived lost profits’ of ruthless corporations self-proven willing to destroy human and/or environmental health and life for ever-increasing profits each quarter.

      What would be the term used by our war-fallen heroes for a government that attempts to impose corporate law and imperatives over our own?

  73. wes kmetNovember 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm #

    Yes, remember the cost and sacrifice that people gave in the many wars but also keep in mind the profiteers, corporations, politicians and wealthy who in their willful treacherous actions did much to start the wars which leads to huge death and destruction. So do what you can to build peace and understanding in our world because war is a example of how poorly we as people resolve conflicts.

  74. GrantNovember 6, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    As a child I was taught, Remembrance Day was to remember the travesty of war and work to avoid wars in future.

  75. LouiseNovember 6, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

    War is never the answer. Peace keeping forces are sometimes necessary. And the populations need peaceful environments in which to thrive. Ideologies are just different paths to the same goal: peace and joy on this planet. We should never forget that although ideologies differ as to the way we get there, the goal is always the same everywhere. So let’s not forget the ultimate goal and work toward conciliation of our differing paths.

    • Marie BrehautNovember 6, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

      Very well said. Strongly agree.

      • Canada JoeNovember 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

        “We should never forget that although ideologies differ as to the way we get there, the goal is always the same everywhere”

        Does anyone honestly believe that? That all regimes, all ideologies have the same end goal and therefore are equal? My God are people still that stupid?

  76. Dorothy N.November 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

    Remembrance Day is dedicated to the honouring of those damaged and killed by war, to say ‘Never again!”

    We are a nation of peacekeepers on whom Harper has declared ideological war to suit his masters, those whom he serves, rather than the citizens and country he’s sworn to serve, this purpose forming the reason for the existence of the office he holds.

    Harper is an electoral cheater who stated that his intent was to make Canada unrecognizable; in other words to destroy her, the Canadian culture and traditions – us.

    He follows the masters of the US Republicans, the business interests it appears that he appealed to for help in taking power over free Canadians, on a promise to drain more out of us than would any other party, and it’s been shown that the Harper government campaign used some of the same firms used by Bush to cheat HIS way into power in the US, to place corporations in power over the US government and people.

    It’s hardly surprising, then, that Harper follows the Alec/Koch agendas which are destroying our neighbours, and working to allow disinformation/hate campaigns through OUR media as well.

    Or that he’s erected a ‘Cone of Silence’ built of gag orders over his agenda – OUR public information – because his secretive scheming is evidently so evil that the public must be manipulated in ignorance.

    Or that Harper’s working toward chaining us to ‘trade agreements’ such as the top-secret TTP which effectively hand OUR legislative powers and human/citizen rights, as with those of all participating countries, over to corporations, in order to dismantle protections for workers, consumers,the general public and environment and enabling them to do away with even our inadequate minimum wage on the grounds that BY TRADE LAW they can all sue the Canadian taxpayer into destitution and submission by demanding billions of dollars for theoretical claimed ‘lost profits’.

    I have read that 600 corporations are dealing with a single representative of the Obama administration over the TPP – how long would it take, with their lawsuits bypassing our legal system, with results to be apparently determined by trade representatives, to bankrupt Canada into a corporate outlet existing only to serve corporate profiteering?

    These weapons used against us would be as effective as guns and bombs, without damaging structure, in enacting a coup.

    Yet no person, party or ANYONE has a right to sell/trade/give/vote away our human/citizen rights, or our right to create our own fair and just laws to protect our citizens, country, and socially responsible ideals.

    Theses are entailed for perpetuity, for those to come, and we could not surrender these rights even if we were disinformed/insane enough to want to.

    Regardless of who initiated the cheating campaign that enabled Harper’s government to win, any person or party elected in a campaign which involves proven cheating to aid them is necessarily void.

    A clean election with independent oversight is required to determine winners, and the ‘first past the post’ system is a proven failure when a party garnering a minority of votes – even WITH the aid of cheating – can gain power in a democracy where public service, not power, is the purpose of public office.

    Our war dead perished fighting for democracy, for our freedom – not for whoever currently sits in Ottawa specifically to safeguard our freedoms, our tradition of caring for our own, our interests, to instead hand over effective rule from the Canadian people and their legitimately elected representatives to outside self-interests antithetical to our interests and independence.

    We fortunately still have the Green and NDP parties to stand for what we built over generations, that Harper and the far-right financial interests he represents are tearing down to ultimately pick over the corpse, as is being done in countries like Greece and US cities, such as Detroit.

    I have read that the Koch bothers, a virtual owner of the bulk of the US Republicans, own or lease approximately 2 MILLION ACRES of Alberta land and have been a presence there for the past 50 years, explaining the US-style right-wing influence in that area.

    Not only Canadian land and heritage is being sold out from under our feet, but our self-governance.

    We need the Greens and NDP in, as they should have been, long since, in order to retain Canada, before the corruption spreads any further throughout our legal system, and before Harper attempts to bind us to his very private agreements with his corporate masters to make them ours.

    We must, peacefully, fight for peace, and in a peaceful manner, fight for legitimate governance which represents Canada and Canadians, and will peaceably fight FOR – rather than against – us.

    • Margaret S.November 6, 2013 at 7:30 pm #

      Thank you, Dorothy, for your thorough analysis and clarity of vision concerning our current government and the direction it is taking us in. I absolutely agree with everything you write. As for Remembrance Day, as a child in England, I learned that it was a time to remember those who had died and suffered in WW1 and WW2 so that there would be no more war.For Harper’s government to deny this fact and say that it is disrespectful to remember for peace is preposterous and nonsensical.He distorts the original intention of Armistice Day, later known as Remembrance Day. Of course this is a time to remember for peace so that the suffering of war can end. It was never meant to be a celebration and glorification of war. Yes, we recall the acts of heroism and courage, the sacrifice made by those who fought. We also remember the suffering on all sides of these and other wars, and we must commit ourselves to peace, not to further acts of militarism. My husband is a veteran of the RN WW2 and he agrees with this statement. We must do all we can to create a culture of peace, not war without end.

  77. B. Ross AshleyNovember 6, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    I wear a red poppy for my Dad, who flew tail gun in a USAAF B-26 in the Mediterranean Theater, and for my late Uncle Chuck, who was in the US Army infantry. I wear a white poppy for all the dead of all the wars, necessary and unnecessary, and hope that it will never be necessary again; and I work for peace worldwide by working against warmonger governments. I am not aware of any dishonour to any veterans except from our own Government who will not honour their obligations.

    • Sean wallaceNovember 6, 2013 at 3:12 pm #

      Thank you for wearing a Red Poppy to recognize that sacrifice of so many Canadian so we could live in freedom and organizations like the Rideau Institute have the right to voice an opinion even though it goes against the opinion of the vast majority of Canadians. The white poppy is disrespectful to every man or woman who have served this country…including me. Stealing a design to protest war from a symbol of sacrifice is low….so low I can’t even fathom why someone would do this on purpose.

      By the way….thank you for your fathers service. Because of him we can have an opinion and be free to express it.

      • dimitriNovember 7, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

        Sean, i can confidently say that if the veterans who gave their lives in the two world wars were alive today, and they saw how war has become such an industry, they would WANT you to wear a red AND/OR a white poppy.

        One for remembrance and one for peace. There is room for both on this important day. No one is trying to insult or upstage anyone. This is a crucial subject that isn’t getting enough debate in Canada. Please put your pride aside and give some room to those who desire Peace. Veterans made the ultimate sacrifice for a better world. Do you really think they would object to people exercising the freedom they fought for?

  78. RoxannaNovember 6, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    Remembrance Day was originally termed ARMISTICE Day. Armistice means PEACE, CEASEFIRE. It is observed on 11 November to recall the END OF HOSTILITIES of World War I on that date in 1918.

  79. Nêst PritchardNovember 6, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    I wear a White Poppy because Remembering is important, But it is not enough! Work for Peace!

  80. Ben BenedictNovember 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    I spent six of my formative years as a member of the Canadian Armed Forces from 1982 to 1988 and a comment which has stayed with me from that time to now is that “There is no glory where men die.” Sorry can’t remember the original quote. No soldier is simply trained to kill or be killed but to create a protective bond with the knowledge that they live constantly within that reality. As for remembrance day, I mourn quietly the loss of friends and soldiers but do not partake in the spectacle that now glorifies war in the name of the nation state far removed from the its reality, death and loss. I agree whole heartedly that remembrance day should be a call to action to end all use of force globally if we do indeed believe ourselves a compassionate, caring, society.

  81. Susanna KaljurNovember 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    Both my parents were involuntarily conscripted in the second world war. Peace at home and abroad is the only way forward for the greater good of all. Give peace a chance!

  82. JP TurcotteNovember 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    It was once stated by our “illustrious” politicians that the “war to end all wars” was a done deal. Since then the politicians have capitalized on this and now we become more heavily invested in it…for profiting the greedy, the immoral and paranoid of fearful.
    Seems to me that both are relevant symbols. I’d wear both, since in the first instance we honour the memory of those who died for a just society as the circumstances demanded at the time; time has come that we must also recognize exactly what these people died for in the first place, and the white poppy emphasizes this more particularly. It is definitely time to acknowledge that wars get us NOwhere but further towards a societal dead end, other than being a wasteful drain on resources and economies.

  83. Peggy Hope-SimpsonNovember 6, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

    Those of us old enough to remember the lsst war, find it unbelievable that anyone would object to working for peace. Only those with a false sense of patriotism, or a supporter of the arms industry, or a lack of moral compass, would knowinly support war and preparations for war. I say ‘knowingly’ because too many people are very ignorant and pay little attention to these incredibly important issues. Germans in the 30′s, allowed Hitlers Nazis to rearm and ignored or supported his rightwing destruction of all opposition while he prepared for war against neighbouring countries. For a good understanding of this period, read Tony Judt’s “Thinking the Twentieth Century”.

    The assault on democratic values and structures in Canada is well underway, and we need to be very mindful that it is our duty as citizens to protect and promote, and support those who protect and promote peace. I know from past experience in Voice of Women for Peace, that peace must be actively supported and defended against those who would willingly undermine it.

  84. Terri RobsonNovember 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    Wars are the bane of civilization, movies are made to glorify conquests of other nations no matter the human costs, to say that we need Wars in order to have Peace seems to be a militry industrial complex and thier supporters mantra. Wars instead of detente and dialogue are no longer used, instead brute force on a scale that my Grandfather who was a POW for almost the entire WW1,would find as appalling as I do.

    • Dr C.McIlwaineNovember 6, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

      I understand the views of the young who have NOT been in war-zones. However I was ten years old when our Cathedral city of Exeter, Devon, England was bombed, and half the county-city flattened!
      Britain had NOT started the attacks, but had to defend itself.
      I doubt if we would have survived if the USA had not entered to war after the bombing of Pearl-Harbour by the Japanese. It is easy to be critical when safe in one’s own country, well away from danger!!
      Later, to be prepared in case of further instants when our country might be in danger, I joined the Territorial-Army as a paratrooper, whilst at university. I was happy that I was not called for active service and instead, after training as a doctor,I worked in the Colonial Service in Fiji for three years, before returning to train as a specialist in Internal Medicine, I now live in Western Canada, enjoying retirement. .

  85. Peggy Hope-SimpsonNovember 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    Those of us old enough to remember the lsst war, find it unbelievable that anyone would object to working for peace. Only those with a false sense of patriotism, or a supporter of the arms industry, or a lack of moral compass, would knowinly support war and preparations for war. I say ‘knowingly’ because too many people are very ignorant and pay little attention to these incredibly important issues. Germans in the 30′s, allowed Hitlers Nazis to rearm and ignored or supported his rightwing destruction of all opposition while he prepared for war against neighbouring countries. We all know what followed the Nazi and Fascist destruction of democracy in Europe. For a good understanding of this period, read Tony Judt’s “Thinking the Twentieth Century”.

    The assault on democratic values and structures in Canada is well underway, and we need to be very mindful that it is our duty as citizens to protect and promote, and support those who protect and promote peace. I know from past experience in Voice of Women for Peace, that peace must be actively supported and defended against those who would willingly undermine it.

  86. Helen CastonguayNovember 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    I remember those who gave their lives and those who died in the war and came home to their own living hell. My father was one who lost his spirit and was devastated by the violence of war and the mud of Italy ran through his veins every day on. He would not glorify war. Indeed he would not even talk about war. So yes, I remember the suffering and the sadness ~ and I remember this so that I will live and work for peace. So may Remembrance Day help bring us to a time when we all have peace in our world, peace in our lives and peace in our hearts.

  87. margare grayNovember 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    As someone whose father served in WW1 (there are probably not many of us left) I speak for him as well as for myself when I say that soldiers of that first war fought a war to end all wars—not to be glorified.

  88. Fred BraileyNovember 6, 2013 at 2:08 pm #

    A scholarly study entitled PEACE, A WORLD HISTORY by Anthony Adolf was published in 2009 by Polity Press, Cambridge,UK. Adolf reveals how ‘peace activities and literature’ began in prehistoric times, and have continued to the present, without any assurance that peace will overcome war any time soon. Adolf concluded that the outlook for peace is uncertain, but the struggle nevertheless continues with increasing vigor.

  89. Lynn PerrinNovember 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    War is the hight of insanity.

  90. Bonnie WeaverNovember 6, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    I am of the generation that had fathers and uncles who died or were wounded during WW2. Every Remembrance Day we remembered those who died and prayed for peace. When did the focus of Remembrance Day change? It should not be about glorifying war but should be about how terrible war is and how we must all work to maintain peace.

  91. Julia GouldenNovember 6, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    Of course Canadians remember the sacrifices our soldiers made for Canadians and others. As I recall soldiers go to war to fight for a more peaceful world, with fewer wars. Every Remembrance Day I wear a poppy to remember their sacrifices and their valour as they fought for a better, more peaceful world. When Canada was known for its Peace Corp, sending soldiers to many troubled areas of the world to foster peace and peaceful negotiations in war-like conditions, I think Canadians were more aware of the role peacemakers played in our armed forces. I believe that the majority of Canadians would wish to return to those days when Canadian soldiers were welcomed as peacemakers and remembered as such.

  92. Marie BrehautNovember 6, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Has Stephen Harper or any of his many, for war, cronies ever been involved in a war, personally. My father fought in the second world war, to bring peace, not war to this world.
    I would nag him to tell me stories of war and what it was like. When he gave in, I would sometimes wish I hadn’t. He laid the lines for communication, going ahead of the rest of the army. He worked in what was called ‘no mans land’, between the two lines. Putting up wires on whatever was available.
    Some of the stories were funny, like someone finding an egg and putting it in his pocket, only to have it break and make a mess. Much of it was slogging daily in all kinds of weather, and for him, often at night.
    The worst story, that I will never forget, was when he was laying the wires at night and stepped on a body. The body must have bloated in the sun during the day. It exploded all over him. Death was all around him. He had many close calls, and was wounded just before the end of the war.
    Mr Harper, what my father learned from this experience of war was; there is no glory in war, there is no justice in war, there is no peace in war. At best, we reach an uneasy truce. He taught me to treat everyone with respect, EVERYONE, without exception. And to treat everyone with kindness and warmth.
    I am finding it very difficult to respect you, Mr Harper. I understand that you are a good person and very nice, to your friends and neighbours. Why can you not open your mind and heart to all our veterans, to all Canadians, and to the rest of the world.
    War does not bring peace, only an uneasy truce and fear of the more powerful, who become bullies. Only peace and kindness toward others, can bring peace. Mr. Harper, did my father work in vain for peace?

    • Anne Learn SharpeNovember 6, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

      I would like to hear from veterans on this issue. We’ve always been told that the reason for war is to bring peace. Is the Harper government admitting that that was never the case? If so, what do they see as justification for war?

      • Marie BrehautNovember 6, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

        I would like to know what Harper’s justification for war is. War for the sake of war is not a good reason. World War 11 was an attempt to defend Western Europe from Hitler. Who knows, maybe Harper is thinking he can rule the world.
        When we accomplished stopping Hitler, the Canadian military was assigned the role of peacekeepers. For quite a while. I wish we could still be called peace keepers.

    • SarahNovember 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

      I’m confused. You said, “My father fought in the second world war, to bring peace, not war to this world.”

      Then you said: “War does not bring peace, only an uneasy truce and fear of the more powerful, who become bullies.”

      Are you saying that your father did not fight to bring peace, but instead was supporting bullying?

      Which is it? Does (a just) war bring peace? Or are all wars bad and we should never engage in them?

      • Julie HunterNovember 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

        Don’t be confused. It’s not actually confusing. People join armed forces and support military initiatives with a goal of helping to achieve peace. However, they are sadly deceived and leave bitter when they realize there is no win win outcome. Further to this, the political power of the Military Complex, like other top global corporate players, distorts and prevents real hope of peaceful solutions and truly democratic solutions by manipulating public access to information, and covertly manufacturing conflicts.

      • Marie BrehautNovember 6, 2013 at 2:50 pm #

        The purpose of World War 11 was to defend Western Europe from Hitler and his allies. Thus, supposed to bring peace to the world. The war to end all wars. Did it end al wars? No!! This was the reason for our military being assigned as peacekeepers. From this experience, my father learned that war does not bring peace. We have to stop fighting with each other.
        I have met people today, who hate the Germans,still. I have black friends who are treated with prejudices, still. I have Indian friends who are treated as second class, still. I have Native friends who are still looked down on, ‘for being lazy’. They are all, just my friends. Why do people in other countries do things differently than we do? Is it wrong or right? By whose standards? Does it hurt us? Don’t go by what the media says. Ask them. Live in their country for a while. The truth might surprise you. Bringing love and peace to all, starts with a smile and an open mind.

  93. Caspar DavisNovember 6, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

    The hypocrisy of the “Harper government” is nowhere more evident than in its attacks on peace lovers for “disrespecting” veterans even as they undermine veterans’ pensions and deny them treatment for their war-induced injuries, including PTSD.

    It is not always easy validating veterans while deploring the wars in which they fought. Most were young when they were soldiers, and for all the horrors remember those days as the time they were most alive. This gives them a perverse attachment to even their most horrible times. Practically, I think all we can do is to deplore war and promote peace while also sdvocating actively for generous benefits for all the victims of past wars, including especially veterans.

    • Marie BrehautNovember 6, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

      I have talked to many veterans, and not one have said they were most alive. Maybe what you call a perverse attatchment is the inability to forget something so horrible?
      I agree, we need to deplore war, and promote peace, and look after all victims of war, including veterans. well said.

  94. GenevieveNovember 6, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    As a young adult I firmly believe that while I REMEMBER those who have been killed in conflict, including Canada’s forces, I must WORK FOR PEACE. If I do not work for peace and support conflict resolution and the end to violence I believe any ‘remembrance’ is token.

    It is also really important for people to understand the strong moral connection between respectfully remembering and pushing for peace. It is the two sides of a coin.

    I have taken time to speak to Veterans, and encountered their support. This inspires me to work for the end to war.

    • Florence StrattonNovember 6, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

      Remembrance Day events have become celebratioins of militaristic values and opportunities to build support for war and massive military spending.

      • Sean wallaceNovember 6, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

        Really…why don’t you ask someone that actually served our country that question. I have and you are completely incorrect…it’s about honouring sacrifice you recognizing your freedom came at a cost.

  95. Fred SamorodinNovember 6, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    How I remember peace! During the Second World War, Timothy Samorodin, a Doukhobor pacifist composed “Brotherly Unity is Our Adage” in Russian. Years later he translated the lyrics into English:

    Brotherly unity is our adage!
    Against all evils of this world and age!

    Chorus:
    We’ll stand all for one and one for all, too,
    In brotherly unity, faithful and true,
    for true endeavour,we’ll stand together
    In love united, brotherly,
    All firm and loyal in peace and toil,
    In one united family!

    Soldiers and sailors, all workers on Earth!
    We’re brothers and sisters, whatever our birth!

    Buddhist or Christian, Moslem or Jew,
    We are all brothers and sisters with you.

    Workers, producers, you all, we implore,
    Stop the production of weapons of war!

    So hopes of unity can be fulfilled,
    A commune in the Spirit of Christ we will build.

    When we’re united in efforts sincere,
    Heavenly kingdom on Earth will appear.

    Timothy Samorodin in
    “Lord Give Us Thy blessing:
    HALL Printing
    Trail, B.C., 1999 pp 61-63

  96. ScottNovember 6, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    Peter,

    I recognize that not all who served might remember in such a fashion as wearing a poppy, red, white, pink or whatever. I am completely fine with that.

    Please do not put words into my mouth. At no time have I argued heatedly, at no time did I call out those who wear the white poppy, at no time did I accuse anyone of being blind to any set of facts. Rather, I said I take issue with the twisting of words Rideau utilized in their post.

    Now, on your point about those wearing red poppies making a mockery of the symbol: fine. Not my point, or my line of thinking, but fine. Won’t change my beliefs though.

  97. Gillian BallNovember 6, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    As someone who had parents overseas during World War II and an uncle badly affected by gas in World War I – I would not want anyone to undergo the horror of conflict – especially innocent children in war-torn places. Remembering the fallen and those who sacrificed so much in a fight against tyranny, is to work and pray for peace. My parents and others did not fight to ensure more wars would follow. They fought for freedom and for an ultimate peace on behalf of those who would come after.

    • Sharon SingerNovember 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

      It is with the greatest respect for all who have lost their lives to war, for those who have lost their loved ones, for those who are still living the atrocities of war, that I observe Remembrance Day for peace. May we stop glorifying the realities of war, and recognize that most of those who perish are ordinary citizens, like you and me.

  98. Ellie O'DayNovember 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    For the last ten years I have worn a white poppy for peace, and it was my father’s generation that fought in WWII. I do not like the glorification of war. I stand up for the whole point that WWII was about, which was to end wars.

    I think it is highly hypocritical of this government to criticize those of us who make this statement, when they’ve been dismissing disabled soldiers just before their 10 year anniversary so as to deny them a pension. The horror stories today are coming from veterans denied the respect and the responsibility we have to their well-being after being disabled in questionable activities overseas.

    Listen to Rick Mercer’s rant from last evening: http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/Shows/The+Rick+Mercer+Report/Rick%27s+Rants/ID/2416242141/

  99. Cherylyn StaceyNovember 6, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    I find it shocking that the government mistreats its veterans. It appears that the more wounded they are when they return, the worse they are treated. It is the hypocrisy of those who refuse to honour their soldiers in any way EXCEPT through Remembrance Day that has induced many to call for peace when the government mounts its insincere show of grief yet again.

  100. Bob StuartNovember 6, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

    WW I was sold as the war to end all wars. Those vets were cheated. After The Bomb on Hiroshima, my mom was sure that we would learn how to do peace. Canada managed to be a good example in public.
    Even Goering frankly said that war was a terrible bargain for the soldiers, who had to be tricked. When I saw that Harper had called our Afghan crimes part of Canada’s goodness, I walked out in the middle of a big ceremony.
    Harper is a psychopath, carefully selected by the unspeakable evil people who plan wars for private profit.

  101. George MilliganNovember 6, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    OWEN, Wilfred Edward Salter. Lieutenant, British Expeditionary Force, Western Front.

    January 1917: [Le Serre Sector of the Somme battlefield]. No mans land under snow is like the face of the moon: chaotic, crater-ridden, uninhabitable, awful, the abode of madness.

    1917: I you could hear at every jolt, the blood/ Come gargling from the froth corrupted lungs,/ My friend, you would not tell with such high zest/ To children ardent for some desperate glory,/ The old lie; Dulce et decorum est Pro Patria Mori.
    The whole purpose of rememberance day is to remember our fallen and their sacrifices they made so we will never be subjected to the evils of war again. “The great war” was meant to be the war to end all wars? Sure remember our glorious fallen and appreciate their sacrifices but do you think they paid the ultimate price in order to glorify war? Ask each and any one of them if you could and I’m sure to a person they would say “Never again” as we the living said after each of our wars !

  102. Ken DresenNovember 6, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    Every day is a day for war, I remember for peace.
    Those who allow their history to be rewritten, are doomed to relive it, perpetually.

  103. sharonleePerryNovember 6, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    Its very important to work for Peace and not war.. If you think Peace you will spread Peace. .. Peace comes with personal Peace. Thoughts travel and its the positive thoughts we wish to spread… Spread the PEACE thought on Veterans Day.. Thank you.. Sharonlee

  104. Calvin WrenchNovember 6, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    The Harper government has refused to join 90 other nations including the U.S. in signing a landmark UN Arms Trade Treaty. In fact Harper has been escalating efforts to turn Canada into a major producer and exporter of arms. In the last several years there has been a concerted effort to glorify and profit from war in this country in lock step with the US. The Canada we know and love has been overthrown. It should be no surprise that Stephen Harper’s minister responsible for veterans, Julian Fantino, calls it “disrespectful” to suggest that anyone remember for peace on November 11 while at the same time slashing veterans programs. My grandparents, parents and relatives fought and were wounded in two world wars. None of them ever wanted to discuss the horrors they witnessed. Now are politicians who have never experienced war are determined to glorify it. Where are the white poppies?

  105. Drew FenwickNovember 6, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    I remember at age 17 while on an exchange student trip in France standing in a Canadian grave site at a place called Dieppe.

    Canadian graves, mostly of men in their teens as far as the eye could see it seemed. Kids really – all who were forced to be men far too fast and lived for too short a time.

    They were there – for me. For my right to vote, and live in peace and I will never forget them.

    I wish I could share that silence and the solemnity of that moment. It was seminole for me. It shaped my understanding of this country, its place and role in the world, and the importance of being an active citizen. Like they were.

    I choose not to celebrate war – a horrible awful thing – something no one would logically ever choose to be involved in. Yet, I understand the evil that was unleashed on the world at the time and it needed to be stopped. That was a war if of any I could understand fighting. Those men at Dieppe wanted peace ultimately and found it prematurely. I honour their sacrifice.

    Because of it I can and do celebrate Peace today. I am one of the lucky ones because of that sacrifice I can and choose to celebrate peace in our time – and likely will never be called upon to go and fight.

    We say never again, the war to end all wars, yet we continue. We can do better and we can solve things by diplomacy and by sanction, and by keeping combatants apart.

    On Remembrance Day I choose to celebrate Peace! There is no glory in War. I know – the dead at Dieppe spoke volumes to me.

  106. Mary DurranNovember 6, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    While we honour the soldiers who lost their lives in duty, we should remember that just as they didn’t deserve to lose their lives, neither did civilians who were killed. Remembrance Day should be to remember their sacrifice, but also to remember that we should be working to end wars and that neither soldiers nor civilians should have to lose their lives in wars.

  107. Glen PetersNovember 6, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    Yes, remember for peace!

    But lets also remember for democracy –it, is what “they/we” were supposedly fighting for!
    During that moment of silence consider who’s way of life were we fighting for? Were we fighting so the 1 percent could live well off the labour of the rest?

    I don’t think so.

  108. f nordNovember 6, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    Those who decry the peace message weren’t listening, back when they were in school. 50 years ago, when people who’d seen active duty were teachers and parents of school children, the day was called “Armistice Day,” the message was “Never Again” and we Remembered what we’d not ourselves known, “Lest We Forget” …

    And it was clearly built in that the message was brotherhood among nations, No More War, and yes, remembering those who’d died (on all sides).

    Armistice is perhaps too big a word for some: it means “truce” … or “ceasefire.”

  109. Dianne O'BrienNovember 6, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    Visions of widows laying wreaths at the cenotaph, listening to kids tell of their father who died in the war, seeing veterans limping on prosthetics, remembering an uncle who had nightmares from years spent in a POW camp and hearing parents voice their grief for children who were innocent victims hardly speak of glory. Rather these things speak of incredible sadness and horror.
    War is death and destruction. I somehow doubt there would be wars if politicians who instigate wars and the barons of military industries were the ones actually laying their lives on the line.
    We still wear the 100 years later and remember Canadian John McCrae’s haunting poem In Flanders Fields. (McCrae eventually paid the ultimate sacrifice)
    Glory indeed.

  110. Stanley StaskoNovember 6, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    Mister Harper

    Seems obvious who he is working for. Coprporations have taken over
    governments with their desires to make a profit on the backs of innocent and ignorant population. We are constanltly being fed lies through the media and this obvious skewed opinion of Sun media.

    It is all about the money keep them busy and misinformed. Peace or War are choices and I sick and tired of Stephen Harper darconian push to make this yet another puppet country for the wealthy Neocons or Oligarchs. I say follow the money, I ask who owns or controls Sun TV ? Do that and you realize just who controls most media outlets. It just so happens to be the same individuals who control the war machine.

    So Kudos to Ceasefire
    you are not alone

    Peace
    Stanley

  111. Jude LarkinNovember 6, 2013 at 12:20 pm #

    On Nov 11, it is time to remember with regret all those who died in war, and time to strengthen our resolve to avoid being manipulated into more of it.

  112. GilNovember 6, 2013 at 12:07 pm #

    For me, remembrance day is about remembering those who died in war – not only soldiers, but all other victims. And to remember they all died unnecessarily, but for the foolishness of war mongers in power. Thus remembrance day is also a time to remember why we must stop those in power from taking us down the path of wars where more soldiers and civilians will loose their lives.

  113. Judy GilbertNovember 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    As I see the poppies at this time of year, I think of the young American soldiers I have met who came to Canada rather than continue to participate in the war in Iraq. Out of high school, they knew nothing when they signed on. They wanted to feel they were making a contribution. They wanted their families to be proud of them. They didn’t understand they were being used.

    Young men from Canada in 1944 went for the same reasons. And 1912. And all wars. So I feel the loss of these young people. And the sadness that we missed all the contributions their lives would have made.

    I feel the sadness that the generations returning from war damaged and damaging the next generation by their PTSD.

    I am enraged that we are taught to see the other nation as an enemy. We are all just people.

    When you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Among other things, working for peace means learning, developing tools (and attitudes) to solve problems without war, eliminating the urge and the opportunity to engage in war. Yes to that!

  114. Ian MassNovember 6, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    There are three reasons I have attended Remembrance Day ceremonies for the the last 40 years, to remember for peace, to remember my parents and grandparents and the horror of war that they endured and to curse the war mongers, Harper included.

  115. Karen NystromNovember 6, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    Every year I remember my late father’s landing on Juno Beach in 1944. He never forgot the landing for the rest of his short life. He taught me to always strive for peace and that war is hell, it really is hell. I am thankful every year that my life is lived in peace and shall never forget his sacrifice.

    • Susan RussellNovember 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

      My father was at Dunkirk, he survived the North Africa Campaign and landed at Anzio. He fought the war to bring about peace. Remembrance Day is about those who died as a result of war, and who fought ardently for the peace to come.

  116. Doshu RogersNovember 6, 2013 at 11:40 am #

    I recall an effort from 30 years or so ago, focusing on ‘to remember is to end all wars’, with buttons, t-shirts, etc. This is an age old message, and, in my opinion, November 11th is and entirely appropriate time to reconnect with the universal calling to live in harmony with one another.

  117. CateNovember 6, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    I refuse to wear a red poppy. I celebrate Mothers’ Day as a Peace Day, for which it was intended. Where are the monuments to women lost in domestic abuse? Heck, where are the monuments celebrating women period??

    • Dianne O'BrienNovember 6, 2013 at 12:40 pm #

      Cate,
      To remember one cause is not to ignore another. Had brave men and women not laid their lives on the line we would know much greater abuse than that of which you speak, which I agree is valid.

  118. Joel de VillaNovember 6, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    War is a terrible thing and whether you had experience it or not just the thought of it is terrifying. The best way to honour them is to advance peace because that’s what they fought for.

  119. Donald WoodsideNovember 6, 2013 at 11:35 am #

    Remembrance Day should be about remembering the horrors of war, and sufferings of both soldiers and civilians in war. It should remind us to work even harder for peace, and to oppose all attempts to glorify war. For this reason I wear both a red poppy for veterans, and a white poppy for civilians, and to remind us all that honoring veterans is not enough, not nearly enough. We need to end war.

    • Beverly PinnegarNovember 6, 2013 at 11:48 am #

      War is disgusting. In the 20th Century over 100 million died in the various wars either directly or by starvation or “collateral damage” – those who perpetrate war should be the ones we are at war with, not the ordinary people who are just leading their lives as best they can. On November 11 it is TOTALLY appropriate to work for peace, and to remember those who gave their lives for that lofty goal. I hope to be alive in the time when “swords are beaten into plowshares” and man will “practice war no more” – warmongers and their ilk need to be removed from political power forever, so the people can LIVE.

  120. Alexandra HarknessNovember 6, 2013 at 11:28 am #

    In honour of those who have died, and continue to die, in war, I want to both remember them and to remember for peace, in the hopes that we will stop creating the means of death.

  121. Susan CampbellNovember 6, 2013 at 11:25 am #

    Every day since I was an adolescent (now aged 64) I have thanked in my mind those who fought to free the world from fascism and encouraged my students to do the same. Today those purporting to ‘honour’ veterans are all too often the heirs of Mussolini and Hitler. They don’t have the courage to do their own fighting, but are delighted to send young people to kill and to die for their own sick and selfish reasons.

    We were told ‘we’ were bombing Libya to free it from a dictator. Look at Libya now. Have we even been told the REAL cost of our national participation in that criminal enterprise? No, we have not.

    War is a lie; warmongers are the worst of liars.

  122. Ian ClarkeNovember 6, 2013 at 11:14 am #

    My father was a fighter pilot in the European theatre during WWII, and my grandfathers served during WWI, one in the Royal Artillery, and the other a Military Cross winner with the Canadian Army Medical Corps. They served not to prolong the war but to end it and preserve the peace. Any attempts to glorify war rather than those who served and who died or who were forever changed by the traumas of war, need to be soundly and successfully resisted.

  123. Fish GriwkowskyNovember 6, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    Peace is the point of war, as any soldier knows. Respect.

    o<

  124. RitaNovember 6, 2013 at 11:11 am #

    Every year when I attend Remembrance ceremonies the veterans advocate for peace. They say they don’t want war like they experienced. My late husband served in combat in WW 2 and in Korea. He actively worked for peace. Our history has been as peacekeepers and we do not want to glorify war.

  125. KarenNovember 6, 2013 at 11:09 am #

    I have always felt this way. A couple of years ago I created my own “peace poppy”, as it seemed to me that the ones everyone wore celebrated war:

    http://www.zazzle.ca/to_remember_is_to_end_all_war_buttons-145476617509917225

  126. ShaheenNovember 6, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    War is the MOST negative aspect of life. We need to do EVERYTHING in our POWER to STOP war. It brings NOTHING BUT destruction. It puts us BACK years and years. It brings SADNESS to families. We are grateful for all those who died for our independence but that should NEVER have happened. We NEED DIALOGUE to solve our problems and we NEED EDUCATION to move AWAY from War. MOST of all…. We NEED to EVOLVE and put our efforts in making this world a BETTER place instead of DESTROYING it.

  127. Terri RobsonNovember 6, 2013 at 11:04 am #

    I Remember for Peace in the hopes that one day we will actually achieve it..

    • Sonia WNovember 6, 2013 at 11:09 am #

      I participate in Remembrance Day ceremonies to remember for peace, and hope for a brighter future.

  128. Darlene BuckinghamNovember 6, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    The remembering of war on 11/11/11:00 is deliberate to keep the energy of war the dominant energy – that is why the “establishment” is saying that it is disrespectful to think of peace – the last thing the global oppressors want. It is now time to remember what it is to live in peace and turn Earth into the beautiful paradise that it could be if we all honoured life. Together, those who desire peace, celebrate peace at the same time as those that remember war and turn the energy around. We will fill our hearts and spirits with joy as we create beauty and abundance on planet Earth. PEace to ALL!

    • ShaheenNovember 6, 2013 at 11:10 am #

      Thank you for your lovely thoughts Darlene. I pray they come true. Totally MY sentiments.

  129. JulieNovember 6, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    I grew up in the United States and the celebration of war is even stronger on Remembrance Day. I have always been heartened by the respectful tone of Canadian Remembrance Day events. We need to remember those who died, and make Remembrance Day a time to recommit to peace to avoid the horrors of war.

  130. Sandra StreifelNovember 6, 2013 at 10:55 am #

    Since the first Armistice Day, Nov. 11, 1911, when the “War to End all Wars” left so much of the world shocked and ready to embrace peace, the remembrance of those who gave their lives for their country has been backed up by the knowledge that the ultimate goal of their sacrifice has always been peace.

    I have ordered White Poppies for my Church at many times during the years, but don’t have one right now, and I would wear one along with the red poppy to remember all our veterans, especially now the ones that our PM and the rest of the government honours at this time of year with the poppy alone, so dramatically, and treat so shamefully the rest of the year.

  131. Sandra DohertyNovember 6, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    “Never Again” remeber that phrase? War is bad for people, bad for our planet,and punnishes the innocent for the failures of the powerful.

    “You Can No More Win a War Than You Can Win an Earthquake” Jeanette Rankin

  132. Rev. F. Mark Mealing, Ph.D.November 6, 2013 at 10:51 am #

    Remembrance Day was originally a day to remember all war dead. To do less is idolatry.

  133. liu wai lingNovember 6, 2013 at 10:51 am #

    I support peace , no bloody and no wars , Thank you

  134. Mary-Sue HaliburtonNovember 6, 2013 at 10:44 am #

    Daily the PM and his colleagues, and opposition members, enter a building distinguished by an iconic clock and carillon known as “The Peace Tower”. This structure contains a chamber with the names of soldiers who died in the name of our country. Those involved in WWII believed that the war in which they died would be the war to end wars.

    Sadly, events showed that belief was unfounded. Even the second ‘world war’ didn’t bring about peace either, only a truce on the way to the next set of conflicts.

    This underscores the need for a Department of Peace and Conflict Resolution.
    http://www.departmentofpeace.ca/international-network/

    With even a fraction of the money being poured into war and munitions, a government-level diplomatic team not just from Canada but also from other nations can work to help resolve the issues, so that justice is seen to be done by both sides. That fighting continues in Syria and other places shows a failure of policy at the highest level.

  135. Richard WeatherillNovember 6, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    Let’s remember that part of that war from which Remembrance Day was created, also featured the somewhat famous football game between the Germans and the British:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9763539/Britons-started-WW1-Christmas-football-match-with-ball-kicked-from-trench.html
    which goes to show just where the soldiers mindsets on both sides lay. If I’m not mistaken, some soldiers were shot for participating, by people who today are the Fantinos and Harpers of this world.

  136. Neil H.November 6, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    Every year we pay lip service to peace on Remembrance Day and Veteran’s Day and Memorial Day. Every year we trot out the politicians, priests, rabbis, and children who implore “NEVER AGAIN!”. But every year the Powers That Be find some existential “threat” to our “freedoms and values” that requires nations all over the world to impoverish themselves – rob children of educations, steal care from the ill, turn the poor out into the cold – and with a thumping of chests, feed our young into criminally meaningless and endless meatgrinder wars.

    We are being lied to.

    Every November 11 we are told that those who have gone and served – many who have died and many, many more who have returned physically maimed or emotionally shattered – did so to defend us and to restore peace, despite the facts that these conflicts are never truly resolved and peace remains elusive. What could be accomplished if even a tiny fraction of the funds spent on weaponry and “intelligence gathering” were dedicated to truly intensive negotiations, diplomacy, and mutually beneficial conflict resolution? No, instead what we get are the machination of political warmongers, death merchants, and market manipulators who dress up war and fear and freedom in jingoistic patriotism. Nothing is better for Big Business than war.

    I do, and will, remember those who have fought and bled and died, believing what they did was just – especially my own distant Brothers in Arms of the Hastings & Prince Edward Regiment, “B”-Company. But moreover I hope that my fellow citizens will wake up and see this folly for what it truly is and begin to truly demand efforts for peace from those who lead us, otherwise those who died died for lies of greed…

    “I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.” — Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Neil H. (former Reservist, Hastings & Prince Edward Reg’t, “B”-Coy)

  137. Renee DoruyterNovember 6, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    The whole point of Remembrance Day is to honour those who fought… and what did they fight for? PEACE!

  138. David MaxwellNovember 6, 2013 at 10:27 am #

    Pax, my friend. This attack on the concept of remembering for peace has nothing to do with personal antagonism against you or the Rideau Institute. The “purpose” of war is the economic benefit of a small group of men – the so-called military-industrial complex. Our governments owe their allegiance to this group, not to the people. The people are simply necessary cannon-fodder. No war, no need for military expenditures. It would be wholly self-destructive for our government to espouse the concept of peace.

  139. Jim CouplandNovember 6, 2013 at 10:25 am #

    We should rally our resources and work for peace. Wars bring about only more wars. We need to work for a more equitable sharing of our resources.
    Jim

  140. Jim CouplandNovember 6, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    We should rally our resources and work for peace. Wars bring about only more wars. We need toowork for a more equitable sharing of our resources.
    Jim

  141. Louise GouefficNovember 6, 2013 at 10:19 am #

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    Louise Goueffic

    • Julie MIsenerNovember 6, 2013 at 10:26 am #

      I am deeply grateful for the sacrifices that so many men and women made to ensure that we enjoy so many freedoms and so much prosperity in Canada. I believe that peace is the best possible outcome of all their sacrifices and on November 11th, I will remember for peace.

  142. GilesNovember 6, 2013 at 10:17 am #

    I support Remembrance day, and believe it is only right to remember those who lost their lives owing to the stupidity and mendacity of leaders around the world. Here at home it’s good to remember that Stephen Harper would have loved to send Canadian soldiers into the Iraq fiasco, thus creating more casualties and veterans whose services, pensions, and health care he would then cut. It’s also good to remember that “the first casualty of war is truth,” and to realize that truth is slaughtered by fear and war-mongering politicians and media long before the first shots are fired.

  143. Paul D. OwenNovember 6, 2013 at 10:15 am #

    Remembering the price paid by so many in order to establish peace, I feel it is important to stress the goal and maintenance of peace in order to prevent the need for so many to pay the ultimate price in time of war.

  144. Kevin BarrettNovember 6, 2013 at 10:15 am #

    There couldn’t be a better day in the year to dedicate ourselves to remembering for — and working for — peace. And there couldn’t be a better focus for Remembrance Day.

  145. Monica CarterNovember 6, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    It is entirely possible to both honour the Veterans of war and other armed conflicts and to move forward with a movement to promote peace.

  146. Wayne MagnusonNovember 6, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    I remember for peace. I remember that Canadian soldiers fought for peace in three 20th century wars. When peace was assured, the surviving troops returned to Canada. I remember Lester Pearson, who led our military into peace-keeping roles. I remember the respect shown Canadian peace-keepers wherever they served throughout the world. I was proud to see Canadian soldiers supporting peace.

    I am disappointed in and ashamed of the Harper government for its warmongering attitude. Like his “get tough on crime” policy, it does more harm than good. Canada has lost respect around the world. We have lost our seat in the UN, we are wasting billions on war machines and weapons, and we are neglecting soldiers who need help after serving abroad. Shame on Stephen Harper and his warlike policies. Shame on those who support him.

    • toby dentNovember 6, 2013 at 10:35 am #

      No more war and its consequences. Harper is a warmonger against the Canadian people and the world. He has managed to make Canada the laughing stock with his retrograde agenda which advocates for war against both people and environment. His attack ads are war. His censorship edicts are war. His promote Harper over everyone else is war. Harper is a warmonger and a dangerous one. While he does not support war veterans he does support
      armaments, tanks, fighter planes, and nuclear facilities. He supports no information re Fukushima fallout on Canada. He stopped monitoring the day after it happened. Shame on Harper and his fascist thugs. Retire him without a fair trial or a pension and send him somewhere where he can do no more harm.

  147. William HayesNovember 6, 2013 at 10:10 am #

    My brother Jack and I never knew our father as a whole man. He fought in Africa and Sicily and Italy, but he did not die in Europe. He was injured in battle, but he did die on a battlefield. He came home, but not all of him. Some part of our father never came back from war.

    Over a period of about 10 years, Jack and I watched as our father withdrew from the life of our family. We watched as he sank into depths of his own despair. We watched as he disappeared.

    On November 11 this year: I will commemorate the END of the war that took some part of my father; I will celebrate the PEACE that we have at present; I will honour all people who struggle worldwide for PEACE, DISARMAMENT, and SOCIAL JUSTICE.

  148. IanNovember 6, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    Every year I get into arguments about Remembrance Day. I think it glorifies war, and to mention this makes me somehow disrespectful. To not wear a poppy makes me disrespectful AND unpatriotic! (I don’t subscribe to nationalism anyway.) Remembrance Day defended by people’s wilful ignorance of history and their fervent sanctimony.

  149. Bill MacKayNovember 6, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    What we remember on the Day of Remembrance is the horror, devastation and inhumanity of warfare. We also remember how it enriches the armaments manufacturers and other unsavory elements of society, while at the same time leaving veterans on their own to pick up the pieces of their often broken lives. For these reasons we remember above all to demand peace, so that we never have to suffer the consequence of war again.

  150. Catherine RubingerNovember 6, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    I have always understood that the whole point of Remembrance Day is to remember those who died believing they were doing so – not to glorify war, as seems to be the present perverted interpretation – but in order to bring about peace.

  151. EA DoucetteNovember 6, 2013 at 10:00 am #

    My father fought in WW2. He was only 18, a child. He had nightmares the rest of his life. Hitler had to be stopped. Today, however, war is a business. Companies are becoming wealthier, obscenely so, and veterans are begging for help. I (we) want peace, not war. Stop wasting money on war.

  152. margsviewNovember 6, 2013 at 9:59 am #

    Harper has no real concept of the type of honest person that serves his or her country. As he as said to Mr Duffy, “It is not about honesty but perception that is important”. Well, my father who served in both WW1 and WW11 would be ashamed of such a statement. To him honesty and integrity were virtues you demonstrate in every action you make as a man and which sustains you when called upon to face the ultimate horror…war. Mr Harper has betrayed these virtues by finding ways to deny our honored veterans of basic benefits and earned financial and medical support. He has demeaned our parliamentary system by underhanded tactics to set in place a weakened domestic economy and environment. The Conservative Party’s reputation has been diminished by Harper and his slow decent in corrupting practices. Gone are the days when leaders such as Mr Peter Lougheed drew admiration from all Canadians.

  153. Des McMurchyNovember 6, 2013 at 9:57 am #

    On Rememberance Day, I honour the sacrifices of my grandfather, Herbert Thompson Walker, who was badly wounded in the horrific, senseless trench warfare of the Great War to End All Wars); I honour the sacrifices of my father, Gordon Alexander McMurchy, who somehow survived as a tail gunner in the bombers responsible for war crimes such as the fire bombing of Dresden in WWII.

    Both of them were 20 years old when their wars ended, and neither of them were war criminals, unlike e.g. Steven Harper.But both of these wars were disgraceful episodes in human history for all parties involved.

    And then we come to the participation of Canadian soldiers in the barbarian savagery of U.S. imperialism, such as the Korean War, or the criminal invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 in violation of Article 2 of the UN Charter (when it was obvious that if any terrorist safe-haven was to be attacked, it should have been Hamburg).

    Most recently we have sent troops to participate in the criminal operation – yet another violation of Article 2 of the UN Charter by the criminal, lawless Washington régime – that overthrew the government of Libya, creating havoc in the region (and “liberating” its oil wealth for those who really deserve it).

    All wars are stupid and brutal, and most are instigated these days as for-profit crimes against humanity committed by the world’s only psychotic hyperpower and its running dog, little Harper Canada, the vicious mutt.

    May these demons and barbarians be dissolved in the warmth of human love!

    Venceremos, DM

    • Canada JoeNovember 6, 2013 at 11:20 am #

      So North Korea should have been allowed to conquer the South. Yep better for all involved right?

      • Des McMurchyNovember 6, 2013 at 11:26 am #

        That’s right.

        Have you really preferred the politically stunting military occupation of Korea and Japan by the Imperial forces of the USA that has persisted to this very day, and which, next to Jewish state terrorism, constitutes the greatest threat to peace in our time?

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          • dimitriNovember 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

            Hey des, i appreciate your perspective. Pay no mind to what this bozo has to say. His purpose here is to be an excrement disturber.

            For him, war is no big deal. It provides jobs and gives our soldiers a sense of purpose with very little conscience for their actions.

  154. N A FraserNovember 6, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    I honour the soldiers, yes, and all the victims of war, the civilians who were killed, the women who were raped as acts of war, the concentration camps, the internment camps. Both my parents, both grandfathers, and other family members were in the armed forces in the World Wars. They were fighting, and some died, for peace.
    For many years I have been alienated by the focus on honouring men fighting, and the omission of any recognition of the rape of women or of civilian deaths including in concentration camps and the bombing of cities.
    True peace and security require justice, and diplomacy, and dialogue, and a true concern for all people. Put resources into life-supporting industries not the weapons industry.

  155. Dorothy MazeauNovember 6, 2013 at 9:55 am #

    I cannot imagine that anyone involved in a war does not wish for a just and lasting peace.

  156. Allen R. WellsNovember 6, 2013 at 9:51 am #

    I was too young to fight in the Second World War. I studied at University with returning veterans. Not one of them had fought to preserve war. The present government is uninformed.

  157. EricNovember 6, 2013 at 9:48 am #

    I’ve said it before but at the risk of repeating myself I’ll give you a snippet from my thoughts on this topic (the whole thing is on Conscience Canada’s website at http://www.consciencecanada.ca/?p=284)

    I remember for peace because war is not over when the enemy surrenders and papers are signed. War always has a lingering taste. It is the taste of:

    Unexploded ordnance: Long after the tanks have slithered back to their bases and the bombers have landed on friendly tarmac, the Grim Reaper continues to lurk in the shadowy forests and sunny meadows, explosively reminding the unsuspecting traveler ‘You should not have come this way!’

    Unquenched hatreds: After the war, the victor looks down in vainglorious contempt on the vanquished, and the vanquished seethes with hatred toward the victor, planning his revenge.

    Unexplained diseases: Long after the soldier is back in the barracks, and the civilian is absorbed in routine, hospitals continue to treat ‘survivors’. Some have social diseases acquired in the conflict. Some have psychological disorders. Some are dying the slow death of living on toxic soil and breathing toxic air. Some are children born with unspeakable mutations.

    Unwanted children: Wandering abandoned on the foggy periphery of every battlefield, are large numbers of children born out of violence or lust, children born into circumstances which will ensure that they never know the helpful wisdom of a loving dad or the benefits of a decent education. They will wander the streets of shantytowns and slums. They will grow up with amazing survival skills and always wonder exactly who they are. They will live in the hope that someday someone will come along and claim them, or they will die in despair of ever being wanted.

    Unexpected costs: Wars are expensive and put the treasuries of nations in jeopardy. But the financial costs of war are the very least of our concerns. How does one determine the value of ten thousand, a hundred thousand, a million lost futures? How does government justify the cost of managing increasing numbers of war veterans out on the street and unemployed, or suffering from addictions, or needing rehabilitation, or occupying prison cells? How can a father explain to a child the logic behind the cratered streets, shredded parks, broken statues, and the pockmarked walls of formerly beautiful buildings? Where will a mother find the words to share memories of special times and people and places that now exist only within her own mind? How will the planet recover after we’ve exhausted its resources in order to kill ‘the enemy’?

    Unfulfilled goals: Choose a country, choose a time, choose a war. Choose the ‘winner’ or the ‘loser’. Someone, somewhere, knows that it did not bring the freedom, the peace, the prosperity, the friendship, that it was claimed it would. Wise people will always question its legitimacy.

    Consider this: every backyard sandbox has rules – share your toys, do not hit sister over the head with your Tonka truck, do not throw sand in your brother’s eyes. But somewhere between the sandbox and the desert, the rules are rewritten. Behavior which has been patiently exorcised from the child is now systematically driven into the recruit. Behavior chided by a parent supervising the sandbox is praised by a president invading the desert. Behaviors which society brands as criminal when committed by aggrieved individuals is considered heroic when done by an aggrieved nation. This is insanity.

  158. tom marcantonioNovember 6, 2013 at 9:47 am #

    Wear white poppies…”Give peace a chance”

  159. Janet BerketaNovember 6, 2013 at 9:36 am #

    I was born just as WWII was kicking into gear – my earliest memories are of my mother knitting sweaters, socks and mittens for the soldiers, collecting aluminum foil from cigarette packages to be handed in to the war office, the extreme rationing – and the so, so many Remembrance Day celebrations. At the time of WWII, we were being duped into thinking that there would never be another war, no more soldiers’ lives to be mourned, no more broken-hearted widows and orphans – but the wars have marched relentlessly across our lives with bigger and better weapons – creating the same result of dead and broken bodies, widows and orphans, a nation that grieves each and every year, now without hope of cessation of future losses. It is time to stop! I mourn the dead, commiserate with the wives and children of the dead, and I stand with those wearing a white poppy because the force for peace must be escalated and grown carefully until it becomes a groundswell that can no longer be ignored by our elected representatives.

  160. VeraNovember 6, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
    Mahatma Gandhi, “Non-Violence in Peace and War”
    – More quotations on: [War] http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/war/

  161. Margi CorbettNovember 6, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    War is terrible. The waste of young lives is terrible. This is the ONLY message I have EVER heard from veterans, and I have heard it often. I respect veterans. You obviously don’t, Mr. Harper.

  162. MeztliNovember 6, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    Remembrance Day is the day we remember the war, we salute our veterans and we commit ourselves to peace so that the horrors of the past shall never be repeated. It is certainly not a celebration of war or a celebration of our willingness to engage in war. What celebration can there be in pain and suffering?

  163. HeatherNovember 6, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    My father and three of my uncles (one of whom died) sacrificed their youth to fight for peace. They did not fight for war, but to end war and its evil destruction. It is shameful that our government blathers on about our heroes while simultaneously clawing back their benefits and makes it exponentially more difficult for them to access Veterans Affairs. And then, this same government attacks people who want to talk about peace! Go figure.

  164. ScottNovember 6, 2013 at 9:03 am #

    Of course I remember…I remember the sacrifices of many brave soldiers, sailors and airmen who answered the call. I have several members of my family who served and were fortunate enough to come home. On the flip side, I recently visited the grave of my uncle, a downed airman in WWII. I continually marvel at the ages of these, our best, so young. That is and always will be a great tragedy and a trade off that can never be taken lightly.

    I also remember for peace. Because no vet I have ever spoken to, and through my own service as well as many a Remembrance Day as both a soldier and as a civilian I have spoken to a great many, has ever told me that they want anything but. The red poppy can signify this as much as a remembrance of those who did not come home.

    I find it reprehensible this twisting of words undertaken by the proponents of this campaign. The services held in thousands of communities across Canada on the 11th are NOT focused on commemorating war – rather, they are focused on remembering the supreme sacrifice made by so many. The sideline message that I have always taken away from such services is that we should not ever enter lightly into such actions, for the sake of those who we already remember, and for those who, undoubtedly, we will have to remember in the future.

    Frankly I am shocked and amazed that a group supposedly with such bright minds as the Rideau Institute could miss such a simple distinction.

  165. rob clementNovember 6, 2013 at 2:02 am #

    As a former member of the Hasty-Pees (Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment) i can say unequivocally that we remember the fallen on November 11th so that we don’t engage in such foolish waste of life again, ever. Too many members of the Hasty-Pees were lost in the quagmire of Vimy Ridge in WW I for us to continue to glorify war as some sort of noble act. It was a total effing waste of good Canadian boys and men to no avail.

  166. Angus's nieceNovember 6, 2013 at 1:11 am #

    When we were little, we used to ask my uncle Angus, “When you were in the war, did you ever kill anyone?” And he would always answer, “God, I hope not.” It took me years to appreciate how brave and unusual his answer was. Despite the relentless mythology around veterans of WWII, my uncle did not subscribe to it. He saw war for what it was, even though he had been a part of it. Or perhaps because he had been a part of it. And I know he would have cheered the idea of wearing a white poppy.

  167. Erich Jacoby-HawkinsNovember 6, 2013 at 12:16 am #

    Last year my mother-in-law was part of the restoration and re-dedication of a war memorial. Part of the display included text and speeches from the original dedication. They were striking (to me) in their difference in tone from what you hear today – they were from shortly after the war, and much more about not having any more wars than about honouring soldiers or glorifying war. It was very noticeable how much the tone has changed since then.

  168. A.B. DavisNovember 5, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

    All the people I have met that were in the second World War, or the Korean War have all said “never again’. However we, the beneficiaries of their efforts and for many of them their lives, seem to think it was the war that was great.
    It was not. They were trying to create a world where we would have peace.
    They were protecting us from life that would not be creative and and enabling. They were trying to make peace possible for all humans

  169. Eleanor GrantNovember 5, 2013 at 8:38 pm #

    When will there be a day to honour the civilian dead, the dead on the “other” side, the bereaved, the maimed, the displaced, and the hungry????? My vision is of soldiers lining tge sidewalks and saluting while the injured, widows, and refugees parade by.

  170. RauniNovember 5, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    My father was a soldier in Finland fighting against Russian takeover (The Winter War and the Continuation War where he got wounded and suffered “shell shock”, as it was called in those days. We immigrated to Canada and everytime there was an American war movie on tv with American actors (John Wayne, etc.) depicted as larger than life heroes, my father would turn the tv off. He said it was disgusting to glorify war like that. He said war was grown men freezing to death in fox holes, grown men fighting lice in summer fox holes, shredded limbs hanging off tree branches, brains spilled all over someone’s lap, grown men crying for their mothers, etc. etc. ) He was thoroughly disgusted with these movies and the flag-waving patriotism.

    • RauniNovember 5, 2013 at 8:33 pm #

      p.s. The photo above: As Russia was bombing Finland, 70,000 children were transferred, mainly to Sweden. 15,000 either got lost, stolen or died.

      • Canada JoeNovember 6, 2013 at 11:19 am #

        And if Finland had been completely overrun by Stalin (the pacifist solution no doubt) all Finns would have been better off right?

    • dimitriNovember 8, 2013 at 4:15 pm #

      Thank you for that rauni. Most everything hollywood touched glorified war. Many people have this detached concept of the horrors. The public gets manipulated over and over by the media to keep us herded and subservient.

  171. RichNovember 5, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    The earliest Remembrance Days were about the horrors of war and vowing to never allow another such war again. We can still read and see those sentiments in the books and films made shortly after WW1 in some cases by veterans themselves. Two of the most popular WW1 films “J’Accuse” (1919) and “All Quiet on the Western Front” (1930, 1979) oppose the glorification of war.

    We’ve lost sight of the anti-war origins of Remembrance Day and these days its too much about glorifying wars and the military while promoting governments and their policies. There’s only a very short portion of the day that’s about honouring those died or were injured, no one leaves a war zone uninjured in some way even if physically okay. More veterans and soldiers die from suicide than are killed in combat these days.

    Remembrance Day needs to return to its anti-war roots by focusing on the horrors of war and remembering the dead and maimed. A good start would be to keep the military out of Remembrance Day ceremonies and leave it to the veterans groups to organize things. It shouldn’t be a day for any display of military might or the marching of children in pseudo-military groups like the sea and air cadets. The death and suffering of civilians also needs to be included in the ceremonies as well, civilians always suffer the worst in war yet are almost always ignored.

    I don’t expect to see such changes made any time soon, the veterans of WW1 were the strongest anti-war force we had but they are all gone now. Since WW2 the PR campaign to glorify war has been getting ever better at its job.

  172. TedNovember 5, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

    My Grandfather served in the RCAF during WWII he helped build and test the planes. He didn’t see the front lines but he did see many of his friends return as mere shells of who they used to be. He saw families and lives shattered.
    War is not something to be remembered, it is something to not be forgotten. Forget the “glory” and the patriotism, remember those who have been lost and work towards a day where differences can be resolved at a table and where those in power do not push their agendas and hide behind flags and lies.
    Remember Peace.

  173. Freda KnottNovember 5, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    How can anyone be against people who don’t want war?
    The White Poppy introduced by WWI war widows is a way to remember the civilians who died in wars, including relatives of mine in the Holocaust.
    We must settle disputes in a non-confrontational manner.
    My husband was WWII veteran and swore to work for peace until his dying day.
    I will be attending an alternate memorial to say “Never Again!”

  174. Don ChesneyNovember 5, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    I support ceasefire´s work wholeheartedly because they are working to contain the pro-war lobby that is comprised of military industrialists who profit from creating and sustaining wars. I think the white poppy idea is off the mark however; we can only offend people by changing the color of the poppy. People won´t understand and be offended like some of the posters here. Let´s stick to fighting for peace by exposing those who would convince us to be full of fear and fund weapons manufacturers instead of humanitarian needs. The F35 fiasco is clear evidence of the kind of corruption that we are up against. Thank God we had Kevin Page employed as a government watchdog, a man with integrity; he exposed the scandal; Harper immediately fired him for doing so.

  175. Christopher IvesNovember 5, 2013 at 7:24 pm #

    As a 1942 war baby I didn’t know my Dad until 1946 VJ day, when he returned safely from Burma – 14th Army RAMC. So yes, I remember for peace, coz I finally got to see him. John Ives was one of the field medics who brought Penicillin to Jungle Warfare – whereas the Japs died like flies.

  176. RMcleanNovember 5, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

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    • LloydLovattNovember 5, 2013 at 7:20 pm #

      Poppies grew in Flanders Fields, RMclean. The red as a symbol for blood is your interpretation.

      You mention respect, and I can only believe you are manufacturing disrespect in what you are reading. I work in a church, now, and here’s one thing I learned about respect. Imagine a wedding rehearsal. It’s late in the afternoon, say the day before the wedding. All the guys come in with baseball caps on. Once that annoyed me, because I thought it was disrespectful, but it’s not. For them, a hat on in church is about the same as a hat on in a shopping mall. I got over it.

      When I was young, in the 1950s, my parents and other veterans from the area would get together, and it seems someone would always say “Never again” sometime during the evening. I really respected that and have not forgot it. So Remembrance Day is not about blood sacrifice to me (a concept that, to be honest, I find repugnant. I’d encourage you to fine and read a copy of the poem “Parable of the Old Men and the Young” by Wilfred Owen).

      Never again. You want to know what I find disrespectful? That no one says that any more.

    • Gary MarkleNovember 5, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

      Remembrance: Lest we forget

      “Between the crosses, row on row…” Yes, we remember war and all it’s brutality. How can we forget those who have fought and died, fighting and strugling for peace? They return from war, broken men and heroes in hearses, we carve their names in stone. But at this time, let us also take pause to remember the thousands of servicemen/women and veterans who have lost their lives through suicide in over a decade of conflict.

      They return to us with wrenched and aching souls, only to be abandoned and abused by the values they fought to uphold, and to discover that they’ve fought not for honor, but for the glory of empire, for those who sit in high places, untouched by the blood and horror of battle, eager to send others to their death to uphold false ideals and to profit from war.

      They’ve been used as pawns in a political game and to appease the lust for power of a few, and to perpetuate corruption. They could no longer live with the Imperialist lie. They are the forgotten ones, hidden, a shamefull reminder of the insanity that is war.

      And let us also take this time remember the untold millions of inocent citizens of this world who have perished at the hands of men with military minds. They also died struggling for peace, begging and pleading for it.

      Lest we forget, the un-named dead deserve remembrance too.

    • jim cowanNovember 5, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

      Why the anger at people who advocate for peace ? Why not reserve your anger and disgust for those who send youth into battle and then abandon them when they return and need help ? Get your head out of your comic books and realize there is nothing glorious about war. It is the ultimate failure.
      My father was killed in war. My mother was left to bring up my sister and myself with little or no help from flag-wavers such as yourself.I myself spent five years in the military. Nice adventure but it doesn’t seem to have moved the world forward any.

    • RichNovember 5, 2013 at 8:30 pm #

      No Canadian soldier has ever fought for “the rights and freedoms we enjoy today” since the War of 1812when we were under military threat from the USA. Even then it was mostly British soldiers though with the help of first nations people and various Canadian militias. Canada has never had to be defended militarily since.

      The greatest threats to our rights and freedoms comes from politicians, corporations, and criminals. Lawyers, political and social activists, judges, and sometimes even politicians themselves have all been the ones defending the rights and freedoms of Canadians instead of our military. You can pretend that there was once an actual threat the USSR would invade Canada or that terrorists will somehow cause us to lose our rights and freedoms but that just isn’t reality. Besides which the main target of terrorists has always been colonial powers, Canada is at most a secondary terrorist target for its support of the colonial powers.

      Our military has fought and died for the rights and freedoms of our allies in Europe though who faced invasion by Nazi Germany in WW2. WW1 was fought over colonies, not to protect any allies from invasion but to secure profits for the colonial powers. As well of course in UN military missions as well as in peace keeping roles.

      Its well worth honouring our veterans for their role in protecting our allies but its long past time to drop the fiction that any Canadian owes their rights and freedoms to our military. That bit of fiction is just pro-government and pro-military propaganda that gets trotted out whenever there’s opposition to the latest military endeavour like our continued occupation of Afghanistan.

  177. LloydLovattNovember 5, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

    I have followed my 22 years in the CF (Tac Hel) with a similar number in ministry in The United Church. The Sunday preceding Remembrance Day is one of the most important for me, and one of the most challenging. Mostly, I would say, my military experience gives me a little authority to say things that might get some of my ministry colleagues in trouble with parishoners. I feel I have a responsibility, or perhaps a calling, to risk a little in this regard. I never fail to remember out loud, on Remembrance Day Sunday, how my parents, in the 1950s, would quietly say, “Never again,” in gatherings with others who shared their experience, and I always ask why people have stopped saying that.

    I don’t make it a day about flags and bugle calls. I say that that is the responsibility of the Legion and other veteran’s organizations who are stewards of public Remembrance Day services. Nor, usually, is it a day for too much preaching. We are rich with poetry, excerpts from novels (e.g. The Piano Man’s Daughter), and folk songs (e.g. David Francey & Eric Bogle) to frame a time of quiet. Another excellent resource is Jonathan Vance, “Death so Noble: Memory, Meaning, and the First World War.” Among other things, it is an excellent partial history of the Remembrance Day observance.

    Never again.

  178. ServingMemberNovember 5, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

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    • LloydLovattNovember 5, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

      ServingMember, I have never missed an opportunity to listen quietly and carefully to war veterans touch on their stories on Remembrance Day, because that is how I (also, once, a serving CF member) am able to “remember” something I did not experience. I also know that being a careful listener is one way to help someone heal from some horror even though it be from decades and decades ago.

      But I am also careful to stay away from words that romanticize the whole thing: “fell/fallen”, “hero”, etc. Those words distort the truth. Words like those in the songs of Eric Bogle ring far more true: “The legless, the armless, the blind & the insane” in “The Band Played Waltzing Matilda.” And tough I wear a red poppy, I also applaud the ones who wear a white one.

      There is no way to observe Remembrance Day that is not political. From the beginning, it has been a day to glorify the dead, the battles, and the flag for some people, and, for others, a day to find strength to act on that conviction, “Never again.” Big political differences there, and no one with any integrity can pretend otherwise.

      I don’t know about you, but neither did I ever think of Remembrance Day as a day, in any way, to voice “support for the troops.” It was not about me. It was about memory, and what we do with it.

  179. BNovember 5, 2013 at 5:01 pm #

    Just leave this alone. Don’t even bother with the stupid white poppy. You’re just embarrassing yourselves. We get that you have the right to an opinion but there is a time and place for it. This is not the time or place.

    Instead of trying to ‘change the world’ through posts on facebook that nobody cares about why don’t you actually go to a war torn country and spread religion or something.

    *** OR how about you volunteer for the UN world food program in Afghanistan? It’s dangerous because you’re completely unprotected. You’ll develop an appreciation for US and Canadian soldiers especially when you know they’re nearby. People would actually have a little respect for you after doing something like that. Doing something that’s actually helping out a small piece of the world. That will really open your eyes to how the rest of the world lives because you have no idea.

    This culture of hipster trust fund hobos who are all sad in their heart about the world is disgusting. Talk talk talk that’s all it is. Shut up and go out in the world and actually try to change something! Take responsibility for your place in the world instead of saying it’s other people’s responsibility and not your own. You get back what you put into this world.

    The hippy generation died because that’s exactly what happened. They didn’t change anything. They had the opportunity to change corruption in the western world with real political power. But instead they wasted it, got high and forgot what it was they were about. In the end they worked the same jobs for the same corporations they protested against.

    • RauniNovember 5, 2013 at 7:47 pm #

      Excuse me !!! The “hippy” generation stopped the pointless, bloody war in Viet Nam. The “hippy” generation joined the Black movement raising awareness of discrimination against blacks. The “hippy” generation helped bring equality and more opportunities for women – (i.e. equal pay for equal work) That generation edged the world a little further away from a world run by reptilian brains.

      • JerryNovember 5, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

        Don’t kid yourselves – most of us hippies just sat around smoking pot and listened to bad music.

        The good ole days. If you didn’t live through it – shut it.

        • Canada JoeNovember 6, 2013 at 11:13 am #

          The hippies helped hand South Vietnam over to the communist north. What a legacy to be proud of.

  180. Josh FrayNovember 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    To imply and ignorantly proclaim that remembrance day glorifies war is possibly the single most ignorant and offensive statement that I have heard in my short life. Several members of my family fought during world war two, and many more were tragically displaced and impoverished by it as my families roots are english in origin. The sacrifices made by my family members then and the ones made by family members in later generations should never be trivialized by a small minded group of individuals who take issue with their governments foreign policy. To demonstrate against and trivialize the sacrifices made by veterans is deplorable at best and heartrendingly shameful and treasonous. The brave men and woman who have sacrificed themselves in the past and continue to sacrifice today should not be subjected to this kind of abhorrent and selfish rhetoric on any day let alone on the 11th of November. Protesting and demonstrating for peace is one of the freedoms that these men and woman have earned and continue to preserve, but please choose another day. This is a day for the veterans do not try to down play the importance of this with an attempt at grabbing media attention. Myself along with the rest of this great country of ours choose to remember sacrifice and standing up for you believe in and yes for peace, but peace is earned not freely given.

    • RauniNovember 5, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

      “…and continue to sacrifice today…” What !??? Who is threatening to attack Canada? Who is threatening our ‘freedom and democraccy’.

      The extreme right-wing policy of Harper is that one of the few roles for government is defence. But who is attacking Canada? It’s a huge business and Remembrance Day is a great opportunity to play on the emotions and patriotism of the people to make it easier for Harper to spend billions on human killing machines.

      Eisenhower said: “the biggest threat to our country will be the military industrial complex…

  181. Jon MercerNovember 5, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    White poppies? Really? Remembrance day is about honoring those who fought, not because war is great, but because war is terrible. There are people who want war, who want to destroy others for gain. Remembrance day is where people fought so others could live. Where we remember the atrocities of war and work to be a force for peace. Remembrance is about “Never Again”. Never again, should we allow others to use war to eliminate a group of people that cannot defend themselves. I will remember and honor those that made the sacrifice with a RED poppy. Not because I think that war is great, but because I want to honor those that fought for peace and I will continue to wave the flag for peace and make war obsolete.

    When you say you don’t care if you offend veterans, it shows that you care more about yourself, than for truly bring peace to others.

  182. Sara-Anne PetersonNovember 5, 2013 at 8:27 am #

    Two of my brothers served in World War 11. One of them told me he thought he was fighting to end war. He was happy with our peace keeping initiatives and depressed when we joined in other country’s wars.

  183. JeanNovember 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

    Thank you for those who sent the comments above. It helped my reflections. Yes, I think the emphasis is too too much on war rather than on the peace and well-being that was the goal. The brutality of modern technological war makes all war a crime against humanity. Jean

  184. Ian WenigerNovember 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    My mother’s paternal eldest great-uncle was a young printshop owner when he joined the Canadian component of the British army in WW1, and then died fighting in the mud and was never found. My paternal grandfather was a baker in what is now the Czech Republic who was drafted into the German army in WW2, and then was captured on the Eastern Front and died in a Soviet POW camp in 1955.

    My dad decided that he didn’t want to remain in a country with a draft that would send his children to war. So he picked Canada and emigrated as soon as he could. Remembrance Day and the poppy were only half for me. My dad warned me off doing anything at the local cenotaph to acknowledge his father.

    The white poppy and the “I remember for peace” campaign are really working for me. In Vancouver, I sometimes join the Veterans Against Nuclear Arms who attend the ceremonies with a banner reading “Let Peace Be Their Memorial.” Ceasefire is doing good work to bring that message across Canada. Thanks.

  185. EricNovember 4, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    Most people know the ‘War to End All Wars’ ended in 1918, not 1919.

    Of course, knowing the dates shouldn’t give the Harper regime the right to spend public money to promote militarism.

  186. Gary MarkleNovember 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    Remembrance: Lest we forget

    “Between the crosses, row on row…” Yes, we remember war and all it’s brutality. How can we forget those who have fought and died, fighting and strugling for peace? They return from war, broken men and heroes in hearses, we carve their names in stone. But at this time, let us also take pause to remember the thousands of servicemen/women and veterans who have lost their lives through suicide in over a decade of conflict.

    They return to us with wrenched and aching souls, only to be abandoned and abused by the values they fought to uphold, and to discover that they’ve fought not for honor, but for the glory of empire, for those who sit in high places, untouched by the blood and horror of battle, eager to send others to their death to uphold false ideals and to profit from war.

    They’ve been used as pawns in a political game, to appease the lust for power of a few, and to perpetuate corruption. They could no longer live with the Imperialist lie. They are the forgotten ones, hidden, a shamefull reminder of the insanity that is war.

    And let us also take this time remember the untold millions of inocent citizens of this world who have perished at the hands of men with military minds. They also died struggling for peace, begging and pleading for it.

    Lest we forget, the un-named dead deserve remembrance too.

    ~ G. W. Markle

  187. MILNEWS.caNovember 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

    Re: your stat “In the first six months of 2013, there was a 23% increase in civilian casualties in Afghanistan – 1,319 civilians died and 2,533 were wounded from January to June this year”, let’s remember that 3 out of 4 of those civilians killed were killed by the Taliban and other groups claiming to be fighting FOR Afghans (source: http://unama.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?tabid=12254&ctl=Details&mid=15756&ItemID=37114&language=en-US )

    • dimitriNovember 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

      Please let me remind you about our ’cause and effect’ universe.

      Had the “coalition of the willing” never INVADED those countries (Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya), there would not have ever been the horrible chaos that ensued.

      We don’t belong there (on false pretenses), and the solution is definitely worse than the perceived problems. You cannot shove so-called democracy down the throats of people. It just doesn’t work.

  188. Allan S TaylorNovember 4, 2013 at 3:32 pm #

    “Is Remembrance Day too much about war and not enough about peace?”
    YES1 YES!YES1 YES!YES1 YES!YES1 YES!YES1 YES!YES1 YES!YES1 YES!YES1

  189. GraceNovember 4, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    For me, Remembrance Day is not about ‘war’ or ‘peace’. It is about the men and women who served in wars so that I can be warm, fat and happy in a secure environment. I recall WW2 and knew many serving Canadians. They were so young, teenagers and early twenties. I knew one young man who came home from Dunkirk!

    That war permeated our lives to the point that even we children were quite aware of what was taking place in Europe. We thought daily of the individuals who were trying to stop the evil. Well, they did! We in North America have never had to suffer through attacks on us and our homes.

    In the next conflict, drones will be used. And they will be used to kill North Americans. Count on it.
    The Canadian Government is aiding and abetting the manufacture of arms and other war machines. We can no longer live in a fantasy that war will never come here!

    Remember and learn, please!

  190. dimitriNovember 4, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

    For most of my life i have supported this Day of Remembrance. I was glad to purchase a red poppy for my lapel. It had become a yearly ritual of commemoration of the dead soldiers of WWI + WWII that began at elementary school. I never questioned it…

    But now that war is in my face and its legitimacy is dubious, it has instilled in me to search for the cause-and-effects of all the wars. From those “great” wars, to the Korean and Vietnam wars, the Cold war, the Gulf, Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, and our ever-present War on Terror… Very dubious indeed.

    War has become an industry. An instrument of hegemony. The cause of untold deaths and suffering of millions of people for the gains of governments, banks, corporations and the “Military Industrial Complex”. Anyone who takes the time to look and see with an open mind as to what is really going on will have an eye-opening experience. The more i looked, the more i found. It is hidden under the veil of freedom, democracy and human rights. It has been touted as a noble cause that our brave young soldiers patriotically risk their lives to fight, for us…

    The hypocrisy has sickened me time and again. It has tricked us all repeatedly. How many like getting played like a pawn or a fool? Who of us supports this inhumane, horrible and totally unnecessary act of greed for power in this age of mass communication and enlightenment? How can this misguided pursuit be justified when we bloody well know that there are much more crucial things to strive for?

    Remember the war dead, but don’t forget those damned wars that are fought in our name. Remembrance Day has become a glorification of war. We have to fight for Peace, and Love, and Common Sense.

    • ioNovember 4, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

      Beautiful. Thank You.

    • Gary MarkleNovember 4, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

      Martyrs and héros make the best salesmen.

      • Canada JoeNovember 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

        Define “peace”.

  191. toby dentNovember 4, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    Peace…what a fragile word. If peace is not first in our hearts…it is nowhere.
    Why are we so scared to lay down our weapons and engage in real peace with each other?
    What would that really mean for us and our earth? Because if we continue to kill each other
    there will be no-one left. An eye for an eye makes everyone blind/Gandhi. While we remember and honour the dead, it might be appropriate here to really allow ourselves to honour the living. We are all we’ve got and while we’re here we need to make the most of it. To look into our hearts and allow peace to blossom on this earth is the only way forward. Otherwise we will be fighting wars for nothing except maybe…an unconscious death wish. Peace be with you.

    • Canada JoeNovember 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

      What the hell…..

    • RauniNovember 5, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

      “…unconscious death wish…” Why doesn’t somebody just come out with it and say EGO, COMPETITION, WINNING, NUMBER 1, MASCULINITY, TOUGHNESS, ALPHA MALE, HERO, PATRIOTISM, LEGACY, …testosterine driven reptilian egos…

      • Canada JoeNovember 6, 2013 at 11:16 am #

        So you just toss in the towel there Rauni? No wonder the peace movement is a joke.

  192. Bill LongstaffNovember 4, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    Not only is Remembrance Day insufficiently about peace,it tends to honour warriors at the expense of civilians, the truest victims of war.

  193. Louise GouefficNovember 4, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    As Remembrance Day approaches “the convention” of paying homage to young men who fought in patriarchy’s conflicts and wars – and were killed – will be done to patriarchy’s dictates. The 4000-year patriarchy, with its slavery and feudalism, embedded the “enemy” philosophy in language to guarantee its power and control for eternity.
    If we genuinely want peace we are going to have to change the language. My book, Breaking the Patriarchal Code, shows that 90% of the language about our species imposes divisive and exclusionary names, concepts and ideas, the basis of “enemy” philosophy. Visit http://www.votingincanada.com/ocanada to see another picture.

    • Canada JoeNovember 4, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

      Oh Lord in heaven……..

  194. Hanna CoraNovember 4, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

    “Is Remembrance Day too much about war and not enough about peace?” –

    Remembrance Day and Red Poppy – Nov. 11 is not about celebrating/ glorifying war. IT IS ABOUT HONOURING THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE of OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS. In my opinion, it is disrespectful to tamper with anything related to this day. It is a day to bring our awareness on the terrible consequences of war. What is wrong with that? It is an event that adds to your cause, not the other way around.

    I fully agree to do anything in our power to take any and every action against war. Why not create your very own DISTINCTIVE UNIQUE symbol and day to celebrate PEACE and the measures taken to achieve it. Make it a celebration of your successes. There are always MANY WAYS TO SAY THE SAME THING – so why not approaching this topic from a positive perspective instead of highlighting the negatives.

    The spiritual consequences of this type of action would be immeasurable positive accumulative ripple effects the world over.

    Endless Blessings!!
    Hanna Cora

  195. Janet VickersNovember 4, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    The idea behind every thinking speaker, teacher and leader was that the war of 1914 – 1918 was to be the last war. Who else, besides the arms industry wants war? My grandfather and all the other people who fought and all the people who fought in WWII wanted a better life, wanted peace, wanted to see their children grow up and survive. People all over the world want to survive, want food and shelter. It is the military industrial complex that spins media, lobbies government and even installs governments to keep people living in fear of a prescribed enemy so that a small elite can be rich. War destroys civil society, it wages against grass roots organizations, and keeps power out of the hands of democratic aspirations. War is anti-life.

    • LloydLovattNovember 5, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

      Wendell Berry talks about war and the arms industry (and the whole related economy) as being the same thing. It comes to the surface in different ways at different times, causing people to believe they are different things, but they are the same. I think it’s in his novel “Jayber Crow” that he develops the idea.

  196. Canada JoeNovember 4, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    November 11th, 1919? You can’t even get the date of the Great War Armistice right and you want to be taken seriously as a think-tank. No wonder the peace movement is a joke.

    Hint: The correct date is 1918.

    • Terry MNovember 4, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

      @ Canada Joe

      Armistice day was November 11, 1918, but the first official Remembrance Day was held on November 11, 1919. Perhaps you should have checked the facts before sounding off and taking a cheap shot at Ceasefire.ca

    • dimitriNovember 4, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

      There you go again CJoe. Foot in mouth disease. Just what is your agenda that you repeatedly appear on these pages of Ceasefire? By all means don’t stop because we need the points of view from people like you to contrast the disparity between war and peace, even if you don’t “get it”and probably never will.

      • Canada JoeNovember 4, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

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        • ikeepgettingbannedNovember 4, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

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        • mographNovember 6, 2013 at 9:40 am #

          Veterans do not want war. Politicians want war.

    • LloydLovattNovember 5, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

      In a way you are correct, Canada Joe, but you might also ask someone who was a child in Germany whether there was any difference between November 1918 or November 1919.

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